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Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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post #12

Your best bet is to get ahold of actual Facebook engineers, and this is a good place to do it. Take this issue to Twitter as well. It looks like your previous posts didn't make it to the front page, but with any luck this time you'll get some real traction. The suggestion in a previous thread about buying an Oculus to get priority customer support is also not a bad one. Do you have any snapshots of your membership ba…

I had an issue with Cash App recently and support just put me in a death-spiral so I looked up the phone numbers of some execs and texted them. At first they were helpful in escalating the issue, but then they terminated my account for contacting their employees outside the online support channel lol.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

#182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate your comment and I don’t mind putting my cards on the table: I am a Marxist. I believe in democratic institutions by the people and for the people. Capitalist states will never suffice. Social democracy is good, but unsustainable. Soviet Communism was a failure, but a single failure. Capitalism is a necessary step in human progress, but it cannot last. Libertarian solutions, as you propose, are no more i…

We disagree a lot but I really like your post. Capitalism is a natural behaviour which emerge in human interactions. As you say, we're social animals and we interact with one another. The problem lies with the "capitalist" states which are not capitalism but crony capitalism, aka just socialism with extra steps. When a state with regulatory monopoly and a monopoly of violence exists, you can't have pure capitalism. B…

> as soon as you end up having an institution with the power to do something for a large number of people, you'll have power and corruption

Honest question: What would lead you to this conclusion?

I hear this sentiment often, but I've never understood how anyone could think so little of other people and (evidently) themselves.

It sounds like you're saying you can't even trust yourself to resist corruption in a position of power, which strikes me as pure cynicism.

Moreover, you seem to have made the assumption that factoring corruption out of government at a structural level is impossible. If that's the case, I think you're being unimaginative.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

#183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate your comment and I don’t mind putting my cards on the table: I am a Marxist. I believe in democratic institutions by the people and for the people. Capitalist states will never suffice. Social democracy is good, but unsustainable. Soviet Communism was a failure, but a single failure. Capitalism is a necessary step in human progress, but it cannot last. Libertarian solutions, as you propose, are no more i…

We disagree a lot but I really like your post. Capitalism is a natural behaviour which emerge in human interactions. As you say, we're social animals and we interact with one another. The problem lies with the "capitalist" states which are not capitalism but crony capitalism, aka just socialism with extra steps. When a state with regulatory monopoly and a monopoly of violence exists, you can't have pure capitalism. B…

I don't think it can work, it seems to naturally devolve into feudalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTN64g9lA2g

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

#184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We disagree a lot but I really like your post. Capitalism is a natural behaviour which emerge in human interactions. As you say, we're social animals and we interact with one another. The problem lies with the "capitalist" states which are not capitalism but crony capitalism, aka just socialism with extra steps. When a state with regulatory monopoly and a monopoly of violence exists, you can't have pure capitalism. B…

> as soon as you end up having an institution with the power to do something for a large number of people, you'll have power and corruption Honest question: What would lead you to this conclusion? I hear this sentiment often, but I've never understood how anyone could think so little of other people and (evidently) themselves. It sounds like you're saying you can't even trust yourself to resist corruption in a positi…

> Honest question: What would lead you to this conclusion?

A person's incentive to pay attention to something is proportional to their ability to do something about it. If you have an organization meant to represent hundreds of millions of people, each individual has effectively ~zero control over it, and so pays little attention.

Meanwhile, the larger the organization it is, the more resources it can extract from its base, the larger it can become. With size comes complexity. Complexity means there are more things for people to pay attention to.

In combination the little attention people pay is spread thin over a large number of things. This makes corruption unlikely to be noticed and punished, which attracts corrupt people.

> Moreover, you seem to have made the assumption that factoring corruption out of government at a structural level is impossible. If that's the case, I think you're being unimaginative.

Which existing large government is free of corruption?

Note that states with lower corruption scores like Denmark and Singapore are less than 5% of the size of the United States and have less corruption, not none.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

#185
post #175

So sorry metalised, not much you can do and no legal recourse/appeal as you have agreed to the TOS. FB will not help much either. The a lesson to be learned here. Zinga learned that with Farmville in other circumstances. If you can, don't build on the top of some other companies, a FB, an Instagram, Pinterest, or a Gmail/Maps. Rug pulls do not happen solely in crypto. There are exceptions of course: build something g…

Actually pretty much everywhere you place it can have issues.

Even with a domain, you can lose discoverability from search engines. Nobody will find you except exact domain in url bar.

So basically you still depend on one of the big companies. If it's not Facebook, is Google. Still bad.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

#186
post #25

Probably not the advice you're looking for, but looks like you have a blog also and am assuming that some/many of your subscribers also look at your blog. So, you may want to use your blog to spread the word about losing your page so that your subscribers know what's happening and you don't lose many of them. In addition, while you should keep looking at ways to recover your FB page, but you may want to take this opp…

What ideas would you take from something like home-barista? From a quick browse, it looked like a typical forum, plus sponsors and a donation option (which I can't imagine would be lucrative?).

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

#187
post #73

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I'd like to point out something my sibling commenters seem to be missing; nopenopenopeno never suggested that the _government_ run these services instead. They said that private companies were incapable of doing this, and that competition was not a suitable mechanism for achieving the necessary outcomes. It is quite possible that neither the state nor private industry can do this, and that we need _something else_. I…

I appreciate your comment and I don’t mind putting my cards on the table: I am a Marxist. I believe in democratic institutions by the people and for the people. Capitalist states will never suffice. Social democracy is good, but unsustainable. Soviet Communism was a failure, but a single failure. Capitalism is a necessary step in human progress, but it cannot last. Libertarian solutions, as you propose, are no more i…

> Libertarian solutions, as you propose, are no more idealistic than mine, but I don’t put my faith in them because ultimately we are social beings.

Libertarianism is not opposed to organizations, it's opposed to coercion. If you want to get together with ten million of your closest friends and create your own not for profit Facebook to be run in the public interest, libertarians would not stand in your way unless you try to force everyone to use it or pay for it etc.

That means if you want to build something you have to convince people to support it, and not everyone will. But that stands in the way of what you want to do no more than saying that the US can't fund development of the internet without people in China paying US taxes.

You don't need everyone, you just need enough people to exceed the price of doing what you want to do. If you can convince the majority of Americans (> My only issue with Mastadon is that regular busy working people with families to raise on depressingly low wages cannot justify the effort to participate.

This is the fundamental problem with all of it. It's the same reason they can't self-beneficially participate in the political process -- no time to become informed, so too easy to make self-harming decisions. And then you get heuristics like "always vote for X party instead of Z party" that most certainly do not actually fix it.

Maybe the solution is greater specialization. Instead of everyone funding everything and then having neither meaningful control nor understanding of any of it, have different people choose what they care about. A million people decide they want to support cancer research, and so they spend real time figuring out who is doing the best work and then give all of what would've been their tax dollars to that. A different million people decide they want to support development of communications technology, so they take the time to understand how communications technology works, and they're the ones to support that with their time or money.

In principle the amount of funding that goes to each thing is the same as it would be if everyone is funding everything, but instead of 100M people each paying $1 to a hundred things, you have a million people each paying $100 to one thing and a different million people each paying $100 for another and so on. And then it becomes self-balancing, because if a problem gets worse, more people start paying attention to and caring about solving it.

And don't say nobody would do it, or explain why a government would fund research instead of letting some other government do it. People do it because they want to live in the world where it happens. Or they don't, but then why would they vote for it either?

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

#188

Update: I updated my blog to reflect the discussion taking place here: https://metalised.wordpress.com/2022/01/27/metalised-faceboo... Thank you everyone for your support and vivid discussion. I hope this manages to reach the right eyeballs eventually! ---- Further update: I can't edit the post itself anymore, but someone from Meta reached out! Thank you so much, kind stranger, and thank you HN! You rock!

> but someone from Meta reached out

I hate that justice is a PR battle.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

#189
post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Building your own carries it's own set of risks. I can't afford the infosec, IT, devops, etc. that a large tech company has. Sure if I build my own and get hacked, I may have more ability to directly effect the situation, but I will likely have to spend much more of my time wrangling tech and may end up being more likely to be hacked overall.

As I said in other places, I was more thinking of managed forums, shops, etc.

those carry their own risks.

I once created a pretty basic phpBB forum for my college.

Spammed by russian hackers within minutes.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

#190
post #3

Not at all the same, and only a minor annoyance but a new twitter account i made a few days ago just disappeared completely with no notice or reason. I think it maybe got flagged as a bot not sure. I made it, added my real name, a picture, and followed a bunch of people I knew. Then "account not found" like two days latter but I was able to remake the same exact account. Feel a bit gaslighted. did I just imagine maki…

Ask for your money back?

I requested a refund of my tax money as well because of the pot holes in the road.
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