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Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by barbazoo »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #117
barbazoo wrote: post #36

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It's not very empathetic that's right but it's still true. People have to stop building their livelihoods or passion projects on these platforms, if they want to have any control over them at least.

Sure. If you want to make sure some big company doesnt control your group then you should build your own platform. But could this person do that? Maybe. Does this person have the capability to do that? Maybe. Most people wouldnt. I'm a swe and I wouldnt really know how to start my own website, get traction, and grow a community. But I know how to make a facebook group. I guess its the right advice if you want to ensu…

I'm not saying people should build their own platforms. There are plenty of managed forums, shops etc out there for people to use. We should help our friends and family by steering them towards those instead of relying solely on FB and IG for instance.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by barbazoo »

jrgoff wrote: post #122
barbazoo wrote: post #36

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It's not very empathetic that's right but it's still true. People have to stop building their livelihoods or passion projects on these platforms, if they want to have any control over them at least.

Building your own carries it's own set of risks. I can't afford the infosec, IT, devops, etc. that a large tech company has. Sure if I build my own and get hacked, I may have more ability to directly effect the situation, but I will likely have to spend much more of my time wrangling tech and may end up being more likely to be hacked overall.

As I said in other places, I was more thinking of managed forums, shops, etc.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by aliher1911 »

beeskneecaps wrote: post #74

I've heard that Facebook doesn't actually hard-delete any information, so odds are that when support gets back to you sometime this year, they'll have admin tools that will allow them to reactivate the group.

Keeping the data for European users after deletion would be in breach of GDPR, so Facebook does delete data after some grace period. It doesn't necessarily mean physically removing files, but you can do other things like storing data at rest encrypted with with an account unique key and then removing the key when account is deleted.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by scarface74 »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #135
scarface74 wrote: post #115

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So the US has the highest incarceration rate of any western country. The police routinely stop and harass minorities for no other reason than the color of their skin, the judicial system routinely hands out harsher punishment for the same crime when the defendant is minority, etc. Even when you take race out of the equation, when you look at the congressional make up in the US and compare it to the party more people…

@ygjb a few points: > The right to bear arms supercedes the right to live in safe communities (and as a former infantry man, I can assert that more weapons in the hands of untrained civilians does not make communities more safe). True, they need training. In 1966 the city of Orlando trained women to shot and the number of rape incidents dropped 90%. > The right to an health care (abortion) is superceded by so called…

I’m going to avoid the political side of abortion. But does that also mean that fathers should be forced to pay child support from conception? Should they be counted in the census? But do you really think these same politicians care about life that are “pro life”. But who are opposed to any government policies that protect life after they are born like - universal healthcare, police reform, paid parental leave, etc?

The “War on Crime” and the “War on Drugs” made people criminals as they targeted minorities until the opioid epidemic started affecting “rural America” and then drugs became a “disease”.

But he is also referring to gerrymandering and having two ballot boxes in cities like Houston to make it harder to vote. In GA they wanted to cut out early voting on Sundays because Black churches would encourage people to vote after they left church and transport them there in church busses.

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Post by ygjb »

b112 wrote: post #120
ygjb wrote: post #35

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I will point out that in Canada, many of our telecoms were run by privately operated, publicly owned organizations (Crown Corporations) that operated at arms length. Until they were sold for pennies on the dollar by governments looking to score a quick win for "fiscal responsibility" and "small government", these organizations operated with a high degree of public scrutiny, and had the goal of offering low cost, reli…

FYI, corps like Bell Canada, Telus, BCttel were not government owned, department or crown corp. They were just highly protected by government regulation. The only ones allowed to do certain things, along with mandated Canadian ownership requirements. They had a defacto monopoly.

Yeah, I am talking about Crown Corporations like MTS, Petro-Canada, BC Ferries, and such that were taken private, not the telecoms protectionism that is currently screwing over consumers in Canada, they are quite different.

I don't object to open markets, but I also think there is a space for crown corporations with a mandate to operate competitively (which strong oversight) for the benefit of Canadians (or citizens of $your_nation)

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by schleck8 »

LambdaTrain wrote: post #110

Not a response as a solution to Op: is there any recommended open-source project that can be used to self-host a comminity server? I would expect that as a host I just need to focus on configuring and maintaining instead of learning to build a website, for example, it sounds like hosting vpn using Wireguard. On the other hand, I wonder if that really makes it better off than to use fb/discord, since if fb/discord is…

Yeah, a bunch of options.

Mastodon is a safe bet

There is also Pleroma, GNU social and Diaspora

https://alternativeto.net/category/social/social-network/?pl...

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by Jolter »

emteycz wrote: post #130
Jolter wrote: post #82

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The yellow pages were absolutely run by state-owned telecom operators, less than 25 years ago, all over Europe.

Only because of the communist past. Most states privatized these operators and the yellow pages continued to be published by them as private companies without any need for regulation.

Ah, yes, the famously communist France. (Pages Jaunes are operated by Orange, previously state monopoly France Telecom.)

Just as you say, these monopolies are all deregulated and sold off. But they were all developed and operated by monopolies for many decades, successfully.

Your attempt to call non-communist things communist is a bit annoying. You could benefit from using the same terminology as the rest of the world when you discuss politics. It would help your arguments.

Anyway, I was pointing out that the paragraph I responded to was a falsehood: “Facebook pages are no more important today than the yellow pages were yesterday, or classified ads, or newspapers. Very little of which was publicly operated.”

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Post by thethrowaway87 »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #128
nopenopenopeno wrote: post #102

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I appreciate your comment and I don’t mind putting my cards on the table: I am a Marxist. I believe in democratic institutions by the people and for the people. Capitalist states will never suffice. Social democracy is good, but unsustainable. Soviet Communism was a failure, but a single failure. Capitalism is a necessary step in human progress, but it cannot last. Libertarian solutions, as you propose, are no more i…

We disagree a lot but I really like your post. Capitalism is a natural behaviour which emerge in human interactions. As you say, we're social animals and we interact with one another. The problem lies with the "capitalist" states which are not capitalism but crony capitalism, aka just socialism with extra steps. When a state with regulatory monopoly and a monopoly of violence exists, you can't have pure capitalism. B…

Are you an anarchist? That sounds a lot like the ancap proposal, and I think this was one of the best pitches I've read for it. Respectful but also pretty convincing.

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Post by [deleted] »

bko wrote: post #106
tluyben2 wrote: post #23

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But I can go to a desk and, talk to someone, and, eventually, possibly after a very long time, someone will act. With canned response AI private corps I don’t have this. Also, at least where I live, if you make more of a stink at the office of the public org in question, you get helped faster and often better.

> But I can go to a desk and, talk to someone, and, eventually, possibly after a very long time, someone will act. Ever tried to get a pothole filled?

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