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Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by alexisread »

geuis wrote: post #173

I don't personally follow the stuff she does but I still support her work and choices she makes. What I'm really concerned about is her safety operating out of China. Just in the last couple of years, we've seen several relatively high profile women either go silent or even disappear without warning in China. She could easily get caught up in some party member's politics net for doing or saying "the wrong thing". If…

Agree. There's a video (ironically on YT) about that - Vice vs Sexy Cyborg. I guess real life is about navigating the waters, you're not going to be able to talk directly to every viewer, so you're always going to be misunderstood and VV.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by tsol »

chrischen wrote: post #193

For any Westerners here who seem to have a hard time understanding why this is wrong: Look at an even more women-oppressing culture such as that of Afghanistan under the Taliban. Women are required to cover their faces in public. Why? For "modesty." What it boils down to is that if women show their faces it could have a negative effect on men (sexual attraction). A lot of people where are shaming her for being essent…

No one is censoring her, it's just demonization. No one is compelled to pay her for her content. Advertisers aren't the Taliban if they are picky with what content they're associated with. Artists have been complaining about sponsors dictating the terms of art of centuries and its always been just a niche background conversation. I'm not entirely sure why this is different, it's still private corporations doing business at the end of the day. It's get right to dress how she wants, and it's others right to associate with her or not.

What I find interesting is the other female voice that gets shush is women who are for modesty. Other female content creators often take issue too-- it reminds me of the twitch scandal a while back where some women would wear beach wear on cam. Some women complained that in order to compete with that they needed to wear less too. And then they felt uncomfortable with the direction things were going. I think they made valid points, and yet then as now no one really cares.

It feels like it's still a matter of controlling women's bodies, just not society is saying they should "wear less and be free" rather than wear more. Women's voices, at the end of the day, are still secondary in these conversations, especially when they take place on the internet, and that's something I find incredibly ironic. SexyCyborg herself is making posts here but it's drowned out by others fighting her fight for her. Rather than elevating the voices of creators like her, it's just turned into a "women need to be able to wear less everywhere or were the Taliban" thing.

Which, by the way, is bordering in Islamophobic. Muslims make up close to 25% of the world population and many women choose to wear modest clothing. I know some firsthand. Treating them like they're just brainwashed or being forced by the Taliban is so insulting and demeaning and completely ignoring the voices of billions of women. I find it so strange how often I see people treating them like they don't exist or the their voices aren't valid. The Taliban isn't the only people in earth who find value in modesty and its frankly misogynistic to imply the women they feel that way are just backwards and oppressed

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by naasking »

igetspam wrote: post #460
naasking wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is not sexualized because it is just a body part. It takes a man to do the sexualization, so the sexualization isn't the boob, but a man's who is doing the sexualization. I agree with most of your comment, but I just want to point out that women are also harsh judges of other women who don't fit cultural norms in how they dress or behave. It's not just men sexualizing women and trying to cut them out if they don…

Ever stop to consider why? What compels people to shun those that don't look like them or adhere to their standards? Perhaps a tradition of oppression an subconscious jealousy about the display of freedom by doing something atypical? Women can be misogynists too. We don't have a monopoly on that. We as a collective value conformity because it keeps people in line and doesn't threaten our existing architecture. Things…

> What compels people to shun those that don't look like them or adhere to their standards? Perhaps a tradition of oppression an subconscious jealousy about the display of freedom by doing something atypical?

If you want to be uncharitable, sure. Or maybe you could recognize the fact that human bonding is largely based on shared values, and if someone looks or acts radically different, then you see no common ground on which to establish such a bond.

I think people are all too quick to reach for the "hatred" and "misogyny" labels.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by tsol »

igetspam wrote: post #460
naasking wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is not sexualized because it is just a body part. It takes a man to do the sexualization, so the sexualization isn't the boob, but a man's who is doing the sexualization. I agree with most of your comment, but I just want to point out that women are also harsh judges of other women who don't fit cultural norms in how they dress or behave. It's not just men sexualizing women and trying to cut them out if they don…

Ever stop to consider why? What compels people to shun those that don't look like them or adhere to their standards? Perhaps a tradition of oppression an subconscious jealousy about the display of freedom by doing something atypical? Women can be misogynists too. We don't have a monopoly on that. We as a collective value conformity because it keeps people in line and doesn't threaten our existing architecture. Things…

Why not ask then instead of paternalistically assuming you know why they think that way and how to fix them? If women feel a certain way it's still their right to. I disagree with this idea that if a woman agrees she's correct and if not she was just brainwashed by society. This feels like just another way for men to take away agency from women. I imagine they have a multitude of reasons they feel that way. Some may be jealously or society, but I've heard women say things like they feel it pressures them to dress the same and increases societal expectations that they dress in more revealing clothing. Whetet or not you find the valid, just brushing over all of it and saying they're indoctrinated is so.. yikes

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by tsol »

3np wrote: post #241
chrischen wrote: post #193

For any Westerners here who seem to have a hard time understanding why this is wrong: Look at an even more women-oppressing culture such as that of Afghanistan under the Taliban. Women are required to cover their faces in public. Why? For "modesty." What it boils down to is that if women show their faces it could have a negative effect on men (sexual attraction). A lot of people where are shaming her for being essent…

Just want to point out that many Western countries and cultures don't share this hysteria and shaming around nakedness or female empowerment. Which doesn't mean that gendered power structures don't exist or that you see naked boobs everywhere in the summer city. Showing naked bodies in various contexts on public television is not controversial in many Western countries.

And not all countries share then same culture of embracing nakedness. It's odd how they never get mentioned. Their views are valid as well, whether you agree or not. It's differing social mores. Defining what social rules are acceptable and what aren't (and hint hint it's our rules that are the good ones) seems like another way of dismissing foreign cultures, which unfortunately feels like an an age old coming from the west

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by tsol »

kstenerud wrote: post #356
chii wrote: post #313

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> We like to scoff at Muslims and their backwards policies about women, and yet somehow Western societies are blind to their own it's the american (or western?) exceptionalism at play - the bar is set to the _current_ western level, and muslim rules that the taliban abide by are seen as a lower level of civility (where civility is defined as _western social mores_).

Please don't mistake what I've said for whataboutism. The Muslim rules about women that the Taliban abide by are a lower level of civility. Full stop. We've had similar disconnects between civilisations on other topics such as slavery, brigandry, serfdom, duels, witch trials, honor killings, torture, debtors prison, capital punishment and such, which improved and in some cases even disappeared as various peoples atta…

>The Muslim rules about women that the Taliban abide by are a lower level of civility. Full stop.

And exactly what rules are those? If you're gonna call people less civilized at least have the decency to be specific. Muslims make up 25% of the world population and many Muslim women find modesty to be an empowering personal choice. I know many myself. The idea that they're brainwashed or uncivilized just echoes of the colonial mentality of "these brown people are uneducated and they need to learn to be like us". You're toeing the line as close to Islamophobia as possible while simultaneously acting as a women's rights champion.

It's so strange that men can disqualify women's voices in the name of feminism, like women with unpopular opinions aren't valid. I don't agree with the Taliban but without clarification it seems as though your just implying that people who believe modesty is a virtue in women are uncivilized. It's amazing that this kind of speech is acceptable, when we can all recognize similar criticisms coming from conservative voices as problematic

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by dekhn »

I've had to conclude she is a legit maker, but I don't like the clothing at all (I find it distracting from the making) but certainly not a reason to deplatform (or making a nude female body model). I do think a more likely interpretation is that she dresses that way for views, but since she has vehemently denied it and given explanations, I will simply override my distaste for the clothing.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by tsol »

loup-vaillant wrote: post #452
M4v3R wrote: post #311

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If that's the case then I would love to know how reliable this method is, and whether she actually did this research before making the claim that other videos are not demonetized. If there really are not while hers is, then obviously YouTube has a problem.

Good luck writing a paper then squeezing it into a Twitter post. She almost certainly did that kind of research. She's basically forced to at this point.

Seems like everyone is just guessing at this point. She's in this thread right now, why not ask her? Everyone is fighting over one another for women's rights while ignoring the actual woman

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by spacechild1 »

akudha wrote: post #359
jb1991 wrote: post #156

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She completely has that right. I think a lot of the controversy is an appearance of being disingenuous by claiming that she’s not trying to be sexualized. I’m not talking about this particular video by the way, but more than likely the reactions to her other videos have affected how this particular video is judged, which is probably not fair.

I remember getting a book on spirituality whose author is an attractive young woman. She had rather suggestive photos of herself throughout the book and the book's content had nothing to do with the photos (and it was wasting space, the book would have been a few pages shorter without the photos). The book itself was pretty good, but it was really annoying to see her photos everywhere. There is not one reason for sug…

Her appearance is part of her (sexual) identity: https://twitter.com/realsexycyborg/status/139660540781712998...

Of course, she could hide it, but she just doesn't want to.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by numpad0 »

tsol wrote: post #456
WesternWind wrote: post #371

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If you have the skills, it generally shouldn't matter what clothes you wear. Even if you don't have the skills, it generally shouldn't matter what clothes you wear. Like don't strap knives to your arms, and do wear a good mask, but generally we spend a lot of time policing other folk's bodies and attire, and for what?

It shouldn't matter to whom? The key here is advertisers don't want to be associated with that. You cab very well respect and accept her, but if a private corporation funding or hosting her videos has an issue with it we can't force them on moral grounds. That's policing other folks as well

> The key here is advertisers don't want to be associated with that.

Has this ever been substantiated or verified publicly? Which industry are those and why?

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