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Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

#81

Hold on - it's 2022, and an extremely high end $4000 laptop with the latest Intel CPU and an NVIDIA 3080Ti comes with a display that's... 1080 resolution? My 2008 17" MacBook Pro has a screen that's 1920 x 1200. My iPhone 6+ is 1920 x 1080. What am I missing? Is the non-Apple world really fine with stagnant resolutions?

"1080p display with a 360Hz refresh rate" as they are for distinct use.

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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What is your point? Intel failed to execute on their own Fabs? That intel needs to use TSMC's fabs to get parity? That Intel can't get access to TSMC's best fabs? The end result is the same. Intel has chips that are 3 years behind in power efficiency.

Well the point is that they're neck and neck while being a fab behind. If the fab catches up they might be greatly ahead. Its a big if but it adds context.

The power consumption is a critical issue on a laptop, unless you're one of those laptop users that never works on battery in which case you could get a lot more bang for your buck with a desktop.

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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3.5%-5% increase in performance at more than double the wattage, for a chip that is not in consumers hands against a chip that basically hasn't changed and was released 14 months ago~ This is not the victory that the title implies. It's also a _little_ bit funny that the i9 laptop was double the price, given people usually rant loudly about how expensive Apple computers are.

I have a M1 in an entry-level Macbook Air I bought for $1000. Is Intel really having to compare its top of the line i9 to this chip now? Wow, I knew they were a bit behind but this is incredible. Price-wise, like you said, i9's are expensive. Worse, the Microsoft ARM SQ1 in the Surface Pro X performs like 1/3rd the benchmark performance as the M1. I know synthetic benchmarks aren't very meaningful but we have some X'…

No, we're talking about Intel i9 vs M1 Pro/Max which is much more expensive.

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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the fact is, apple hardware is not _that_ expensive relative to what you get for the money. Their supply chain is super optimized, and it's hard to beat them on price if a competitor decides to try (at the same quality that is).

Yeah but it's locked down, unupgradable future e-waste.

Completely false.

If you do any volume purchasing the resale value of old Acer laptop or asus ones is so bad they really do become w waste quickly. Folks w macs use them forever. And then resale market isMUCh better for apple

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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I don’t think this is going to happen, but: It would be extremely funny if Apple strapped a heavy copper heatsink and a turbo fan to an M1 and just overclocked the ever-lasting crap out of it. The crazy thing about using a Macbook Pro (with an M1 Pro or M1 Max CPU) is that, in single-threaded performance, it's really no faster than a dippy little Macbook Air. And at the end of the day, single-thread performance is mo…

Apple (if they were willing to expose a more wild side) should make an "M1 Pro Max Unlocked" board (or something like that) and just sell it as a bare, microATX board. It could cost exactly the same as the Mac mini for all I care, but if PC builders could use it in crazy cases and with liquid (or even liquid nitrogen) cooling, that would be so cool.

This will never happen.

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Intel is a process node behind When you normalize for that, isn’t the power usage they equal?

What is your point? Intel failed to execute on their own Fabs? That intel needs to use TSMC's fabs to get parity? That Intel can't get access to TSMC's best fabs? The end result is the same. Intel has chips that are 3 years behind in power efficiency.

The point is obvious.

M1 is not more powerful due to a better design, but simply due to more modern manufacturing process.

Otherwise you would see a much larger gap in performance.

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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I switched about half a year ago from a MacBook Pro with an Intel processor to MacBook Pro with an M1 processor. My overall impression was "when the hell will it run out of power"? I spent the whole working day (without a charger) and it was still at 60%, while I was constantly stressed before when I had to do something without a charger for more than 3-4 hours. I don't care what any test, but tripling battery life w…

I don’t find the same. Chrome seems to eat the battery a lot in my experience.

I deeply regret getting only 16gb ram in my air for exactly this reason.

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Apple (if they were willing to expose a more wild side) should make an "M1 Pro Max Unlocked" board (or something like that) and just sell it as a bare, microATX board. It could cost exactly the same as the Mac mini for all I care, but if PC builders could use it in crazy cases and with liquid (or even liquid nitrogen) cooling, that would be so cool.

This will never happen.

Nope, it won't, Apple will never be willing to show a more wild side. I'm just dreaming.

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

#89

Hold on - it's 2022, and an extremely high end $4000 laptop with the latest Intel CPU and an NVIDIA 3080Ti comes with a display that's... 1080 resolution? My 2008 17" MacBook Pro has a screen that's 1920 x 1200. My iPhone 6+ is 1920 x 1080. What am I missing? Is the non-Apple world really fine with stagnant resolutions?

Best for high refresh rate gaming.

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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You're underestimating the hobbyist Thinkpad community.

I’m not, I’m sure for every modder that puts a new motherboard and mech keyboard in, there are 100000 that just get pitched

They're also not purchased at the volumes that Macbooks are, I do think you're underestimating how well they hold their value. You picked an unfortunate laptop line to make your point, especially since this is in no way a recent phenomenon. I'm sure people chuck away their Macbooks instead of reselling them too.
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