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Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Post by eloff »

nu11ptr wrote: post #571
tzs wrote: post #30

Something from the NYT mailing list yesterday: > The Covid vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing serious illness. If you’re vaccinated, your chances of getting severely sick are extremely low. Even among people 65 and older, the combination of the vaccines’ effectiveness and the Omicron variant’s relative mildness means that Covid now appears to present less danger than a normal flu. > For the unvaccinated,…

Apologies in advance for getting on my soapbox, but this has been on my mind for a while. The way in which the media has gotten everyone to say "the unvaccinated" is a 'disease' against basic science (not even getting into the divisive nature of this). I would go as far as saying if you read any paper, study, or other that refers to the "unvaccinated" as a single cohort, you are reading vaccine propaganda, not scienc…

I've also noticed this. I have covid right now. I'm double vaccinated. I was planning to get my booster shot, but now that I've had covid what's the point. It's not likely to increase my immunity and it comes with risks.

At some point the government will probably change the definition of fully vaccinated to three shots and then I'll be in that unvaccinated group I usually make fun of.

Somebody I know lost their job because they wouldn't get vaccinated (but they'd already had confirmed covid). That seems very unfair.

I'm very angry at the dumbasses who haven't been infected and refuse to get vaccinated, including family of mine who died because of that. But no distinction is being made of those who have natural immunity. Which, as you say, is unscientific.

I feel like partly that's because many people think they had it, but didn't, and partly because it's easier for the government to just tell everyone to get vaccinated.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Post by partiallypro »

I think everyone should get vaccinated, but at this point if you aren't...you aren't going to. So, it's a waste. I think it's time to move on from this. It is understandable that people are afraid of getting sick, dying etc., but 2-3 years is a long part of your life. It's ruining lives in more ways than just people getting sick.

I feel bad for people that live in a constant state of fear in states/countries that have been incredibly strict. My state has been more or less the same now, nothing in my life has really changed aside from the price increases and shortages in both goods and labor. I can't travel to many places I want to though because of fear I'll get there, and everything will be locked down. When this first started I was upset with people going out, etc. but as time has marched on, we know enough about the virus in terms of prevention, treatment, and the low chance of serious infection.

I think my opinion is pretty popular among the populace, but it's astounding how it has not been treated as such in the media and government.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Post by Consultant32452 »

tzs wrote: post #30

Something from the NYT mailing list yesterday: > The Covid vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing serious illness. If you’re vaccinated, your chances of getting severely sick are extremely low. Even among people 65 and older, the combination of the vaccines’ effectiveness and the Omicron variant’s relative mildness means that Covid now appears to present less danger than a normal flu. > For the unvaccinated,…

Hospitals are overwhelmed by people who are vaccinated, have mild or even asymptomatic covid, and are certain they are going to die.

https://www.wcax.com/2021/12/22/covid-positive-vermonters-wi...

I'm sure there's plenty of actual sick people too. But we need a serious change to our messaging.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Post by nradov »

buryat wrote: post #597
nu11ptr wrote: post #571

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apologies in advance for getting on my soapbox, but this has been on my mind for a while. The way in which the media has gotten everyone to say "the unvaccinated" is a 'disease' against basic science (not even getting into the divisive nature of this). I would go as far as saying if you read any paper, study, or other that refers to the "unvaccinated" as a single cohort, you are reading vaccine propaganda, not scienc…

simple numbers show that unvaccinated get covid at higher rates and the number of hospitalizations is higher which puts strain on the hospitals. If something happens to me I dont want an unvaccinated taking a spot I need.

How many times do you typically get hospitalized per year?

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Post by bobbyasdfasdf7 »

nu11ptr wrote: post #571
tzs wrote: post #30

Something from the NYT mailing list yesterday: > The Covid vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing serious illness. If you’re vaccinated, your chances of getting severely sick are extremely low. Even among people 65 and older, the combination of the vaccines’ effectiveness and the Omicron variant’s relative mildness means that Covid now appears to present less danger than a normal flu. > For the unvaccinated,…

Apologies in advance for getting on my soapbox, but this has been on my mind for a while. The way in which the media has gotten everyone to say "the unvaccinated" is a 'disease' against basic science (not even getting into the divisive nature of this). I would go as far as saying if you read any paper, study, or other that refers to the "unvaccinated" as a single cohort, you are reading vaccine propaganda, not scienc…

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Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Post by partiallypro »

benjaminwootton wrote: post #619
walterbell wrote: post #38

The media's binary separation of populations into vax and unvax is a false dichotomy. More causal factors would be represented by: 1. Covid-recovered 2. Vaccinated 3. Partly-vaccinated ( CDC reporting bundles #3 and #4. UK reports all 4 categories separately. #1 was already a high percentage in 2021 and is now higher due to Omicron. Edit: CDC estimated pre-Omicron #1 as 146 million people (as of Oct 2021), https://ww…

The other thing that needs bringing into the discussion is vulnerability. The average of death with Covid in the US is 80. If every healthy 30 year old and under in the US declined the vaccine, this would barely move the needle. They personally are not vulnerable and are not likely to end up in hospital. Reading this discussion, you would think that vaccinated = safe, unvaccinated = certain doom. Age is a much strong…

Age and also just health status in general, people with diabetes or heart issues are vulnerable; but to your point most of those vulnerable are now vaccinated.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Post by nostromo »

buryat wrote: post #597
nu11ptr wrote: post #571

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apologies in advance for getting on my soapbox, but this has been on my mind for a while. The way in which the media has gotten everyone to say "the unvaccinated" is a 'disease' against basic science (not even getting into the divisive nature of this). I would go as far as saying if you read any paper, study, or other that refers to the "unvaccinated" as a single cohort, you are reading vaccine propaganda, not scienc…

simple numbers show that unvaccinated get covid at higher rates and the number of hospitalizations is higher which puts strain on the hospitals. If something happens to me I dont want an unvaccinated taking a spot I need.

What about smokers? What about the obese? What about people who took risks and acquired HIV?

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Post by hutzlibu »

saiya-jin wrote: post #454
Lammy wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair I had exactly that same experience at the UCSF Emergency Room in 2017. Four hours in the waiting room, and then the only bed they could give me was against one wall of a busy hallway.

Yes its very common even in richest places. Case point #2 - Geneva, Switzerland has the biggest public hospital in whole country (HUG). They employ around 10k personnel overall, and Geneva is relatively small city (they call it the smallest metropole for a reason). There is no shortage of money or high tech equipment. But if you came pre-covid during say weekend night and you were not clearly about to die, 10+h waiti…

Well, here in germany it is quite similar.

That means, I had to wait only a short time once, but that was after a dog bite to my face and it just looked horrible with blood all over it.

But the next time, with an deep open wound in my leg, which was actually way more dangerous, I had to wait quite some time, before they even checked.

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