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Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Unscientific mask and vaccine mandates should be dropped regardless of the opinion of someone on Pfizer's board.

Science seems to be a rather stretchable concept lately.

What about "unconstitutional"? No people want to know your medical status, that used to be protected privacy. Also how can we block people from going outside or gathering?

Maybe for 10% deaths that's a reasonable thing to ask, but for <1% this is waaaay out of proportion for my taste.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It greatly reduces deaths, which is the point of a vaccine: https://twitter.com/OurWorldInData/status/148607668061993779...

Eating five cheeseburgers a day increase the rush of death too. We don’t have laws against it.

Heart disease isn't contagious.

The argument you are pushing is valid against all vaccination mandates for the point of public health. That's pretty hard core anti-vax.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why you care if others get the vaccine if it does not stop the spread and new mutations as we saw with the recent variants I’m fully boosted etc. I don’t think it’s fair to compare it to Polio

We’re seeing mutations because of incubators who weren’t vaccinated. But anymore, I’m beyond caring. Anti-vax stance is a self correcting problem. I mourn for the young being indoctrinated, and for the immunocompromised, but those who could help them have made their choices.

> We’re seeing mutations because of incubators who weren’t vaccinated.

I’ve been tracking this closely and all research thus far appears to indicate that statement is inaccurate.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

#34
post #31

Unscientific mask and vaccine mandates should be dropped regardless of the opinion of someone on Pfizer's board.

Science seems to be a rather stretchable concept lately. What about "unconstitutional"? No people want to know your medical status, that used to be protected privacy. Also how can we block people from going outside or gathering? Maybe for 10% deaths that's a reasonable thing to ask, but for <1% this is waaaay out of proportion for my taste.

Unconstitutional seems to be a rather stretchable concept lately. Here are all the vaccine mandates in the US today: https://www.immunize.org/laws/

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

#35

It's amazing to me that every post that has anybody arguing against the restrictions or similar gets flagged, no matter the source or rationale. It's really the most divisive issue I've ever seen in my life.

Or there are financial incentives, which may justify paid interventions online to create the appearance of divisiveness. There are PR agencies which specialize in "grassroots PR".

Users can email hn@ycombinator.com to ask for human review of flagged articles. If the article still remains flagged, only then is the flag sanctioned by HN moderators. Otherwise, flags could be anywhere on the spectrum between organic users, troll botnets and paid interventions.

Is there an API to HN data which could report granular data on article flags, e.g. timestamps or user IDs doing the flagging?

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

#36
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It greatly reduces deaths, which is the point of a vaccine: https://twitter.com/OurWorldInData/status/148607668061993779...

Eating five cheeseburgers a day increase the rush of death too. We don’t have laws against it.

The effects of eating five cheeseburgers a day are spread out over decades. The result of a group of people choosing to each five cheeseburgers a day is a tiny increase in the average load on the health care system over many many years.

The effect of COVID on the health care system is a large short term spike in load.

It is almost always in almost all systems much easier to deal with a long term small steady increase in load than to deal with a short term massive spike.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

#37
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eating five cheeseburgers a day increase the rush of death too. We don’t have laws against it.

Heart disease isn't contagious. The argument you are pushing is valid against all vaccination mandates for the point of public health. That's pretty hard core anti-vax.

Covid amongst vaccinated is still contagious

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

#38
The media's binary separation of populations into vax and unvax is a false dichotomy. More causal factors would be represented by:

  1. Covid-recovered 
  2. Vaccinated
  3. Partly-vaccinated (
CDC reporting bundles #3 and #4. UK reports all 4 categories separately.

#1 was already a high percentage in 2021 and is now higher due to Omicron.

Edit: CDC estimated pre-Omicron #1 as 146 million people (as of Oct 2021), https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

#39
post #23

So he was referring to the "east coast". In New York State where I live, we have 95% first-dose vaccination status for adults and 73% for complete vaccine series ( https://twitter.com/GovKathyHochul/status/148608338468219289... ) . so here, continued vaccine mandates won't have much additional effect. However, I would venture to say a whole lot of that 95% has been vaccinated *because* of the mandates that were tempo…

A large percentage of urban NY populations were infected and recovered in 2020, gaining immunity to 2020 and Delta variants. Those who recovered from the recent wave of Omicron infections will also have immunity to more-dangerous Delta.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’re seeing mutations because of incubators who weren’t vaccinated. But anymore, I’m beyond caring. Anti-vax stance is a self correcting problem. I mourn for the young being indoctrinated, and for the immunocompromised, but those who could help them have made their choices.

> We’re seeing mutations because of incubators who weren’t vaccinated. I’ve been tracking this closely and all research thus far appears to indicate that statement is inaccurate.

Links? Mutations occur in infected hosts, which vaccines were limiting.

Even with Omicron, a report that hit HN a day or two ago indicated a 5x difference in infection rates created by vaccines.

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