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Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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And yet their case rates are booming (top 3 in the world) and their deaths curve looks very similar to the 1st wave.

Hey I'm not the one making the policy change. I'm just saying, at least they have that (partial) justification. And that they say they "expect" rates to go down.

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Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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So why is Denmark opening up completely? Like no vaccine passport, nothing?

> Although it no longer believes Covid-19 should be classed a critical threat to society, some measures to limit transmission are still beneficial, it said. Is quote I found while looking into this. It seems like they're not opening up completely, they're just removing a bunch of rules. There is still talk of large events possibly needing proof of vacination. This information is super new and what actually happens an…

The PM announced a total opening on February 1st in Denmark.

There might be mandated face masks for guests at hospitals and elder care in addition to proof of vaccination or negative tests. At these places only.

All other restrictions are being lifted.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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As someone who lived in Canada, lives next to Australia, and lives in New Zealand, I wouldn't suggest any of these places are 'devolving into police states'. Having people do stuff to protect the safety of themselves and others is part of the social contract of these countries. We wear seatbelts. We wear helmets on Motorbikes. All things that restrict our freedom to damage ourselves. Because who incurs the cost of wh…

Seat belts and helmets do not require chemicals to be injected into your bloodstream in order to freely associate with other humans. These measures change free association by making it illegal to exist naturally around others. There is a huge difference.

Yeah, but cars don't hitch rides in your lungs and jump into nearby people's mouths, occasionally injuring them.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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As someone who lived in Canada, lives next to Australia, and lives in New Zealand, I wouldn't suggest any of these places are 'devolving into police states'. Having people do stuff to protect the safety of themselves and others is part of the social contract of these countries. We wear seatbelts. We wear helmets on Motorbikes. All things that restrict our freedom to damage ourselves. Because who incurs the cost of wh…

> Having people do stuff to protect the safety of themselves and others is part of the social contract of these countries. Are smokers and alcohol consumers also targeted by these social credit type measures in those states ?

https://participate.melbourne.vic.gov.au/smoke-free-melbourn...

https://www.smokefree.org.nz/smokefree-in-action/smokefree-a...

Less drastically, a lot of places are putting heavy restrictions on smoking, and there are heavy taxes on tobacco and alcohol (arguably those taxes contribute to paying for tobacco and alcohol related health problems.)

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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This is a state fighting its own citizens for a political act of ignorance. 90% of eligible individuals have received at least one dose in Quebec.[0] What's the point of additional marginalization of a very stubborn group of people? It's playing with fire and with no responsibilities, as I severely doubt anyone will be convinced to get vaccinated because they can't go to Walmart after one year of restrictions, but it…

Not sure if you're from Quebec so this wouldn't be news to you, but our healthcare is BAD. Like comically bad. Nurses are routinely forced to do doubles because they don't have enough staff, hell we don't even have enough beds either! Because of COVID a lot of non-critical but still pretty important procedures were cancelled for lack of workers. So in that context the government is legitimately scared of it all crash…

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Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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As someone who lived in Canada, lives next to Australia, and lives in New Zealand, I wouldn't suggest any of these places are 'devolving into police states'. Having people do stuff to protect the safety of themselves and others is part of the social contract of these countries. We wear seatbelts. We wear helmets on Motorbikes. All things that restrict our freedom to damage ourselves. Because who incurs the cost of wh…

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Have you payed for building the roads you drive or walk on to work? The pipes that deliver your water? The fire services? Do you imagine you pay the full cost of the food you are eating? Of the irrigation systems? Garbage pick up and disposal? Management of your local community, including things like accounting for its money etc?

Calling taxation "theft" is delusional.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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The public policy responses to this pandemic would make a whole lot more sense if intramuscular (humoral) vaccination actually prevented (or even significantly mitigated) the spread of sars-cov-2. Unfortunately humoral vaccination only starts the B cell to plasma cells training and generation of igG antibodies in the body serum to protect internal organs. Other immune compartments like the upper respiratory mucosa ar…

Quebec has a heavily socialized medical system. 10% of the population is unvaccinated, but make up >50% of COVID beds in hopitals, a significant fraction of the *entire medical system*. At some point the other 90% of taxpayers shouldn't subsidized the stupid decisions of the remaining 10%. I'm not saying banning grocery store access is necessarily it, but something needs to be done

The “unvaccinated hospitalisations” statistic is often somewhat fraudulent it seems. Please see this example here: https://metatron.substack.com/p/alberta-just-inadvertently-c...

It is caused by three factors primarily: (1) extreme asymmetric testing rates between the two groups of all patients; (2) inclusion of The article above gives an example of 2. An example of 3 is here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=af76uwdGCM0

Number 2 essentially uses a proximal increase in vulnerability facilitated by the vaccination in order to sell more vaccinations. I am at a loss for words as to describing just how scandalous this is.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.BEDS.ZS?location... https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.PHYS.ZS?location... Yes, I'm ecstatic we pay a ton of taxes to have one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world. Well behind the EU and OECD averages. We've got 1/3 the doctors per capita of France FFS... Now we get to continue to pay a ton of taxes to have a shitty healthcare system AND have bus…

What bugs me about the "we can't overwhelm the health care system" argument is that when/if this is all over, NOTHING will be done to improve the health care system to help prevent that from happening in the future. We'll all just continue to be told to be mad at each other, and no one in charge will be held accountable.

AFAICT, Quebec was probably the only province to do the most effective thing to improve the health care system: increasing the wages of nurses. Only half-heartedly because it was a bonus not a raise, but it's a lot better than Ontario which is effectively reducing the wages of their nurses after inflation by legislatively capping raises to 1%.

Here's hoping it's a major election issue in Ontario this summer.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Covid vaccines did do a decent job at preventing spread in the original variants, and actually even now (unless I'm mistaken, it's hard to entirely keep up) the vaccines still cut the probability of you being infected at any point in time

Citation needed; just like how I can't claim without criticism that the vaccines may have lead to Omicron and other variants - where there is evidence that vaccinated people catch certain variants more than others, and there's also building evidence that you're more likely to catch COVID if vaccinated. Edit to add [I'm rate limited from commenting further for the time being]: Look into the Great Barrington Declaratio…

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Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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As someone who lived in Canada, lives next to Australia, and lives in New Zealand, I wouldn't suggest any of these places are 'devolving into police states'. Having people do stuff to protect the safety of themselves and others is part of the social contract of these countries. We wear seatbelts. We wear helmets on Motorbikes. All things that restrict our freedom to damage ourselves. Because who incurs the cost of wh…

Meanwhile.. "There is not a single example of a country with less than 40% of the population overweight that has high death rates (over 10 per 100 000). Similarly, no country with a death rate over 100 per 100 000 had less than 50% of their population overweight. When are we going to start banning overweight from consuming alcohol and eating fast food? They're putting tremendous pressure on our universal healthcare s…

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