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Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by loceng »

space_fountain wrote: post #21
superkuh wrote: post #2

The public policy responses to this pandemic would make a whole lot more sense if intramuscular (humoral) vaccination actually prevented (or even significantly mitigated) the spread of sars-cov-2. Unfortunately humoral vaccination only starts the B cell to plasma cells training and generation of igG antibodies in the body serum to protect internal organs. Other immune compartments like the upper respiratory mucosa ar…

Covid vaccines did do a decent job at preventing spread in the original variants, and actually even now (unless I'm mistaken, it's hard to entirely keep up) the vaccines still cut the probability of you being infected at any point in time

Citation needed; just like how I can't claim without criticism that the vaccines may have lead to Omicron and other variants - where there is evidence that vaccinated people catch certain variants more than others, and there's also building evidence that you're more likely to catch COVID if vaccinated.

Edit to add [I'm rate limited from commenting further for the time being]: Look into the Great Barrington Declaration for reference to evidence for "you're more likely to catch COVID if vaccinated."

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by daenz »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #41
daenz wrote: post #29

>A statement on Costco’s website states that as per their Code of Ethics, they are required to comply with the law wherever they operate. Either support it or don't, but this lukewarm response of "I'm just obeying orders" is cowardly.

Companies just need to follow laws, they don't need an opinion on everything.

Will you maintain that position when you find that a company upholds a horrifying law?

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by SSilver2k2 »

dijonman2 wrote: post #54
SSilver2k2 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a police state to put in more restrictions after the bare minimum hasn't worked or been followed.

False. Individual liberty must be protected. Denying food shopping is a special kind of cruel and unusual punishment. It’s a personal choice, full stop.

Yes, such a cruel and unusual punishment to have your groceries delivered directly to your door.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by thehappypm »

34679 wrote: post #50
space_fountain wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Covid vaccines did do a decent job at preventing spread in the original variants, and actually even now (unless I'm mistaken, it's hard to entirely keep up) the vaccines still cut the probability of you being infected at any point in time

This is false. I challenge anyone to find any statement, from any of the mRNA vaccine manufacturers, from any point in time, that claims the vaccines reduce transmission even a tiny bit.

A completely asymptomatic person isn’t coughing or sneezing up droplets, so there’s that.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by Mikeb85 »

WaylonKenning wrote: post #26
Mikeb85 wrote: post #4

The UK, Denmark and others moving to get rid of ALL restrictions. Meanwhile Canada, Australia and others devolving into police states... Edit - forgot some other countries. Netherlands, Ireland also ditching restrictions...

As someone who lived in Canada, lives next to Australia, and lives in New Zealand, I wouldn't suggest any of these places are 'devolving into police states'. Having people do stuff to protect the safety of themselves and others is part of the social contract of these countries. We wear seatbelts. We wear helmets on Motorbikes. All things that restrict our freedom to damage ourselves. Because who incurs the cost of wh…

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.BEDS.ZS?location...

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.PHYS.ZS?location...

Yes, I'm ecstatic we pay a ton of taxes to have one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world. Well behind the EU and OECD averages. We've got 1/3 the doctors per capita of France FFS...

Now we get to continue to pay a ton of taxes to have a shitty healthcare system AND have business and travel restrictions. Good deal.

Know what else was part of the social contract? Things like freedom of travel, the ability to run a business without government interference... Now Canada's whole economy is a housing ponzi scheme and everyone I know is selling their businesses and/or leaving the country.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by gruez »

WaylonKenning wrote: post #26
Mikeb85 wrote: post #4

The UK, Denmark and others moving to get rid of ALL restrictions. Meanwhile Canada, Australia and others devolving into police states... Edit - forgot some other countries. Netherlands, Ireland also ditching restrictions...

As someone who lived in Canada, lives next to Australia, and lives in New Zealand, I wouldn't suggest any of these places are 'devolving into police states'. Having people do stuff to protect the safety of themselves and others is part of the social contract of these countries. We wear seatbelts. We wear helmets on Motorbikes. All things that restrict our freedom to damage ourselves. Because who incurs the cost of wh…

>I wouldn't suggest any of these places are 'devolving into police states'. [...]

>Because who incurs the cost of when you hurt yourself or others? The government!

Are you saying that a given regulation/policy doesn't contribute to a police state as long it's justified by "harm"?

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by loceng »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #41
daenz wrote: post #29

>A statement on Costco’s website states that as per their Code of Ethics, they are required to comply with the law wherever they operate. Either support it or don't, but this lukewarm response of "I'm just obeying orders" is cowardly.

Companies just need to follow laws, they don't need an opinion on everything.

Hopefully then the companies are just as willing to pay fines for following illegal rules put in place without following the parliamentary process.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by janeroe »

WaylonKenning wrote: post #26
Mikeb85 wrote: post #4

The UK, Denmark and others moving to get rid of ALL restrictions. Meanwhile Canada, Australia and others devolving into police states... Edit - forgot some other countries. Netherlands, Ireland also ditching restrictions...

As someone who lived in Canada, lives next to Australia, and lives in New Zealand, I wouldn't suggest any of these places are 'devolving into police states'. Having people do stuff to protect the safety of themselves and others is part of the social contract of these countries. We wear seatbelts. We wear helmets on Motorbikes. All things that restrict our freedom to damage ourselves. Because who incurs the cost of wh…

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Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by tsimionescu »

dijonman2 wrote: post #54
SSilver2k2 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a police state to put in more restrictions after the bare minimum hasn't worked or been followed.

False. Individual liberty must be protected. Denying food shopping is a special kind of cruel and unusual punishment. It’s a personal choice, full stop.

Why should it be a personal choice? Living through this pandemic without getting vaccinated is at least as dangerous to public health as driving a car without wearing a seatbelt, and that is illegal.

Even if the vaccine did nothing to stop the spread of COVID (it does much more than nothing), it is still of vital importance to keeping ICUs free, which in turn is important for everyone.

Since your choice has an outsize effect on society, and since we have ample, overwhelming, incontrovertible evidence that the vaccine is safe and certainly hundreds of times safer than the disease, I see no reason why it shouldn't be considered mandatory.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by [deleted] »

WaylonKenning wrote: post #26
Mikeb85 wrote: post #4

The UK, Denmark and others moving to get rid of ALL restrictions. Meanwhile Canada, Australia and others devolving into police states... Edit - forgot some other countries. Netherlands, Ireland also ditching restrictions...

As someone who lived in Canada, lives next to Australia, and lives in New Zealand, I wouldn't suggest any of these places are 'devolving into police states'. Having people do stuff to protect the safety of themselves and others is part of the social contract of these countries. We wear seatbelts. We wear helmets on Motorbikes. All things that restrict our freedom to damage ourselves. Because who incurs the cost of wh…

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