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Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by space_fountain »

superkuh wrote: post #2

The public policy responses to this pandemic would make a whole lot more sense if intramuscular (humoral) vaccination actually prevented (or even significantly mitigated) the spread of sars-cov-2. Unfortunately humoral vaccination only starts the B cell to plasma cells training and generation of igG antibodies in the body serum to protect internal organs. Other immune compartments like the upper respiratory mucosa ar…

Covid vaccines did do a decent job at preventing spread in the original variants, and actually even now (unless I'm mistaken, it's hard to entirely keep up) the vaccines still cut the probability of you being infected at any point in time

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by aaomidi »

SSilver2k2 wrote: post #19
Mikeb85 wrote: post #4

The UK, Denmark and others moving to get rid of ALL restrictions. Meanwhile Canada, Australia and others devolving into police states... Edit - forgot some other countries. Netherlands, Ireland also ditching restrictions...

Not a police state to put in more restrictions after the bare minimum hasn't worked or been followed.

Grocery stores are barely a vector of transmission. There's no real data to back this decision up.

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Post by jaywalk »

SSilver2k2 wrote: post #19
Mikeb85 wrote: post #4

The UK, Denmark and others moving to get rid of ALL restrictions. Meanwhile Canada, Australia and others devolving into police states... Edit - forgot some other countries. Netherlands, Ireland also ditching restrictions...

Not a police state to put in more restrictions after the bare minimum hasn't worked or been followed.

Whether you agree with the policies or not doesn't change the fact that it's a police state.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by rastignack »

superkuh wrote: post #14
hhh wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ll take a shot in the arm, but my nose? Eehhhh…

Not a shot, an intranasal spray. The leading candidates on clinicaltrials.gov are adenovirus carried spike protein based versions (I would rather have mRNA) but it should still do the job of getting upper respiratory resident T cells trained on sars-cov-2 epitopes.

It might work, who knows.

But how comes there are 4 endemic coronaviruses ? Do you think a sterilizing vaccine is even possible ?

Wouldn’t immunity also wane ?

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Post by WaylonKenning »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #4

The UK, Denmark and others moving to get rid of ALL restrictions. Meanwhile Canada, Australia and others devolving into police states... Edit - forgot some other countries. Netherlands, Ireland also ditching restrictions...

As someone who lived in Canada, lives next to Australia, and lives in New Zealand, I wouldn't suggest any of these places are 'devolving into police states'.

Having people do stuff to protect the safety of themselves and others is part of the social contract of these countries. We wear seatbelts. We wear helmets on Motorbikes. All things that restrict our freedom to damage ourselves.

Because who incurs the cost of when you hurt yourself or others? The government! Like a lot of advanced countries we have a single payer government operated healthcare system that needs to ration care since nothing in life is infinite. So governments are motivated to protect systems that protect everyone like healthcare.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by kiba »

rastignack wrote: post #18
VHRanger wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quebec has a heavily socialized medical system. 10% of the population is unvaccinated, but make up >50% of COVID beds in hopitals, a significant fraction of the *entire medical system*. At some point the other 90% of taxpayers shouldn't subsidized the stupid decisions of the remaining 10%. I'm not saying banning grocery store access is necessarily it, but something needs to be done

And overweight people make up to 65% of those. See a dark pattern here ?

Obesity is a multifactorial societal problem with possible environmental and chemical factors, while covid can be vaccinated against with a simple jab.

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Post by steelstraw »

VHRanger wrote: post #6
superkuh wrote: post #2

The public policy responses to this pandemic would make a whole lot more sense if intramuscular (humoral) vaccination actually prevented (or even significantly mitigated) the spread of sars-cov-2. Unfortunately humoral vaccination only starts the B cell to plasma cells training and generation of igG antibodies in the body serum to protect internal organs. Other immune compartments like the upper respiratory mucosa ar…

Quebec has a heavily socialized medical system. 10% of the population is unvaccinated, but make up >50% of COVID beds in hopitals, a significant fraction of the *entire medical system*. At some point the other 90% of taxpayers shouldn't subsidized the stupid decisions of the remaining 10%. I'm not saying banning grocery store access is necessarily it, but something needs to be done

People make a lot of decisions that increase their hospitalization odds. Drinking too much, eating too much, smoking too much, texting while driving, skateboarding...

How are you going to draw the line exactly? It's also contrary to the goal of healthcare being a human right.

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