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Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Please don't cross into the flamewar style, no matter how strongly you (and others) feel on a topic. We're trying to avoid that here, and need everyone to pitch in. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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The medicine is not indicated to be given to serious cases. It is indicated for use as soon as possible, when you have your first symptom. Right now this isn't the case because there aren't enough to go around, but this is the premise of the trials, so this is how they will be sold. People also get COVID more than once.

So basically they're expecting everyone to have a pack in their medicine cabinet, next to the aspirin and bandages?

My guess would be to expand the current vaccine initiatives to include this medicine. Have the sniffles? Stop by CVS and get dosed. I can envision a cost model where this approach works out better for them over time.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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So basically they're expecting everyone to have a pack in their medicine cabinet, next to the aspirin and bandages?

Well, given they're selling it for thousands of dollars, I think not.

Wait, if it costs thousand of dollars, isn't it basically automatically going to be going only for the serious cases?

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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We’re seeing mutations because of incubators who weren’t vaccinated. But anymore, I’m beyond caring. Anti-vax stance is a self correcting problem. I mourn for the young being indoctrinated, and for the immunocompromised, but those who could help them have made their choices.

> Anti-vax stance is a self correcting problem. Natural immunity is long and strong baby. You'll be waiting a while.

"... researchers looking at SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in people who had recovered found that the difference between the highest and lowest levels varied by a factor of over 1,000. The researchers saw even more variability when they looked at neutralizing antibodies—those known to bind to the virus and prevent it from infecting cells. Neutralizing antibody levels in recovered people varied over a range of 40,000-fold, and up to 20 percent of people didn't have any detectable level of neutralizing antibody."

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/06/antibody-testing-sug...

But hey, don't let mere science stand in the way of a good catchphrase.

EDIT: I'm quite aware I won't change anybody's opinions. I'm also aware that providing opposing evidence will even strengthen beliefs. So, yeah, I shouldn't have risen to the bait. Regardless, good luck!

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Out of 8 billion that's not very impressive. Millions die in years without "pandemic". (quoted because in the past that mend >1% infection-deaths, this was <1%, yet still a pandemic).

Yeah and I don't call those victories either. We lost and need to do better when it happens again.

Maybe we should outlaw tobacco, limit people's sugar intake via daily glucose testing, and ban alcohol while we're at it?

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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> Anti-vax stance is a self correcting problem. Natural immunity is long and strong baby. You'll be waiting a while.

"... researchers looking at SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in people who had recovered found that the difference between the highest and lowest levels varied by a factor of over 1,000. The researchers saw even more variability when they looked at neutralizing antibodies—those known to bind to the virus and prevent it from infecting cells. Neutralizing antibody levels in recovered people varied over a range of 40,000-fold, and…

Serology studies are you kidding me right now? We can and have measured the clinical outcomes.

edit: It's pretty rich to hear that you've taken my bait, "self-correcting problem" was masterful baiting.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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I think this is kind of a big "duh" statement. Mandates were issued in the face or surging numbers and we now have waning numbers. I'm very hesitant to declare victory too soon but the day is seemingly coming soon. Of course, we'll have to reverse course yet again if there's a new wave which very well might happen. The next stage should shipping billions of doses to the poor nations that haven't gotten any yet.

Millions of people died, there's no victory.

I mean, we declared victory at the end of WWII. No one comes out from a battle unscathed.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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I'm vaccinated and boostered by my own choice. My problem with mandates is where does it end? Why this mandate and not other mandates? Who gets to decide that?

It ends with covid vaccines because that is the only pandemic that is currently raging across the globe.

The politicians we elect democratically makes the decisions.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Please don't cross into the flamewar style, no matter how strongly you (and others) feel on a topic. We're trying to avoid that here, and need everyone to pitch in. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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They were being snarky. Nobody would say "I want to control your body" (well, not in this context anyway).

A better way to phrase it would probably be "Why should anyone be able to tell me what to do with my body?" (and another sentence or two elaborating on the thought)

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