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Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by ekanes »

nils-m-holm wrote: post #278
toto444 wrote: post #274

How many of you mourning the old internet frequent neocities or have their own personal website ? I don't think the the answer is 'a lot'. Everyone on HN complains about everything being turned into a business but everyone also wants to create their own start up and turn it into a unicorn.

Anecdatum: I have maintained my web site since 1995 and have my own domain since 1999 ( http://t3x.org ). I have never had a "business" nor have I dreamt about big money. Give me back the old internet anytime!

"who am I" is fantastic. Thank you.

http://t3x.org/whoami.html

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by mattlondon »

amatecha wrote: post #273
aeturnum wrote: post #171

I have never understood people who mourn the death of the "old" internet because I do not feel I have lost it. Particular communities come and go, as they always have, but I have found that the I can find the same sorts of gathering places for the same kinds of people I always have - in about the same numbers too. The thing that has changed is that a huge swath of new people have come online and, though some of what…

Ah, I love that the top voted comment is someone mentioning Hotline. I'm logged into my friend's server - one I've been frequenting regularly since it was started in 2001 - at this very moment! I also ran my own server for years, of course. I really want to build "IRCCloud but for Hotline" sometime. I mean, just a basic self-hosted thing to start with. One of these days... haha Recently I've started noticing people h…

Shameless plug: I recently wrote a gopher client library for Deno, just for fun. https://github.com/matt1/deno-gopher

I also cleaned-up the weird formatting of the Gopher+ protocol and put it on github as a formatted markdown file since it was never and official RFC so trawling through an unstructured txt file when trying to implement the protocol was a pain: https://github.com/gopher-protocol/gopher-plus

Hope it is useful for someone implementing new gopher code like I was! :)

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by wizzzzzy »

amatecha wrote: post #273
aeturnum wrote: post #171

I have never understood people who mourn the death of the "old" internet because I do not feel I have lost it. Particular communities come and go, as they always have, but I have found that the I can find the same sorts of gathering places for the same kinds of people I always have - in about the same numbers too. The thing that has changed is that a huge swath of new people have come online and, though some of what…

Ah, I love that the top voted comment is someone mentioning Hotline. I'm logged into my friend's server - one I've been frequenting regularly since it was started in 2001 - at this very moment! I also ran my own server for years, of course. I really want to build "IRCCloud but for Hotline" sometime. I mean, just a basic self-hosted thing to start with. One of these days... haha Recently I've started noticing people h…

Which Hotline client are you using out of interest? I have nostalgic memories of using Hotline as a teenager and just assumed all clients are now dead in the water.

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by RF_Savage »

executesorder66 wrote: post #316
yakireev wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have found that the I can find the same sorts of gathering places for the same kinds of people I always have - in about the same numbers too. My personal experience does not match that. There was a time (2010-2012 or so where I used to live) when communities were migrating from older "forums" to new and shiny "social networks" - and inevitably ceasing to be communities. One of these communities was niche enough (…

Is there any reason a subreddit wouldn't work for that community? Or is that not "forumy" enough? I'm genuinely curious.

Subreddits don't work well for long form stuff.

Like for example a project log where you are restoring some old car, solving problems and sourcing parts. In a forum it is cleanly self contained. On a subreddit it would be a bunch of scattered posts you would have to take the care to link to.

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by imglorp »

unsungNovelty wrote: post #328
executesorder66 wrote: post #316

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Is there any reason a subreddit wouldn't work for that community? Or is that not "forumy" enough? I'm genuinely curious.

Apart from privacy concerns like Twitter and Reddit sharing your data with FB (Maybe they share with Google too, not entirely sure), you create a healthier community in a forum than Reddit, Twitter etc. This would be different if you are in a subreddit for a niche topic, sure. But there are higher chances of creating healthy online interactions in Forums than a subreddit. You meet with regulars more often. Knowledge…

Reddit is as always a mixed experience.

I think any successful forum depends heavily on its mods (notably like this one) to maintain community and civility, to remove spam, abuse, brigading, and astroturfing. This works despite the corporation trying to monetize with both hands. Reddit still has some subs with good mod teams where kind, productive communities are carrying on. This could happen on any decent forum software.

And yeah the rest is commercialized filth.

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by throwaway98700k »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #158
matheusmoreira wrote: post #35

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Yeah. That sense of ownership has been lost. Now corporations own everything. Nobody wants a domain, they want a @name on some social media platform. Nobody wants their own website, they want to post on social media. ISPs have cgNAT now, nobody is directly connected to the internet. Everything is just so boring .

> That sense of ownership has been lost. Now corporations own everything. Nobody wants a domain, they want a @name on some social media platform. Nobody wants their own website, they want to post on social media. I don't think the self-hosting people with their own domains ever went away. They're all still out there. The difference is that the internet isn't just for those people any more. Everyone is online, and the…

A mix of both. When I see a Medium post by a programmer I feel sad.

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by walterbell »

adrianN wrote: post #244
wolpoli wrote: post #67

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The barrier of entry was actually lower than that. We didn't need to stand up an Apache server. We could just sign up for a Geocities/Xoom/Tripod account and upload HTML or use the built in site editor to create content. Somewhere along the way, people stopped building well organized sites and started producing chronologically organized writings and content. These chronologically organized articles and content have d…

You can still make a Neocities account and upload HTML.

Works well with static generators.

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Post by detaro »

wolpoli wrote: post #67
kstrauser wrote: post #5

I sure hope that's right. It was the best feeling in the world to stand up an Apache server on my Amiga, and later my little FreeBSD server, and see my friends viewing the website I was hosting on my dialup connection. It wasn't pretty, it wasn't elegant, and it certainly wasn't fast, but it was mine . I made that. From installing the server to writing the HTML, I owned that service from end to end and had completely…

The barrier of entry was actually lower than that. We didn't need to stand up an Apache server. We could just sign up for a Geocities/Xoom/Tripod account and upload HTML or use the built in site editor to create content. Somewhere along the way, people stopped building well organized sites and started producing chronologically organized writings and content. These chronologically organized articles and content have d…

What stops you signing up for a boring webhosting package and uploading HTML today?

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by meheleventyone »

naasking wrote: post #333
meheleventyone wrote: post #256

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Being charitable I think they mean some sort of betting site where people put money behind opinions and lose it if they are wrong or gain it if they are correct. Giving a sort of wisdom of the crowds. This of course is still subject to some authority who can say what is right or wrong on any particular issue so doesn’t escape the trust problem. Also the credulousness of the current crypto users makes me question how…

> Being charitable I think they mean some sort of betting site where people put money behind opinions and lose it if they are wrong or gain it if they are correct. Giving a sort of wisdom of the crowds. They're called prediction markets, and they already exist! * https://www.predictit.org * https://www.metaculus.com/questions/

Ahh, creeping dystopia!

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by alfl »

alfl wrote: post #239
jonwalch wrote: post #205

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