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Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by Melatonic »

vmception wrote: post #62
justin66 wrote: post #24

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> I'd imagine most people would want a pretty significant pay raise to move to somewhere like Ohio Cost of living is low relative to the west coast and high relative to a lot of places in Asia, so it really depends on who you're talking about.

For now. I’ve travelled to enough cities that it is basically an amusing part of my checklist to hear why Area Man is mad about housing prices going up. I could procedurally generate possible scapegoats at this point.

"Area Man" - love it. Gonna use that from now on.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by forinti »

ericmay wrote: post #403

Really disappointed in many of the negative and insecure comments coming from members of this community saying “Ohio sucks” or “Ohio State University sucks because it’s not Stanford” or “how many startups does Ohio have”. It really reflects poorly on those making these comments and I can’t help but think seeing a state not on the east or west coast being selected is causing fear and uncertainty in the lives of those…

It's way better than putting another fab on the ring of fire.

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Post by renewedrebecca »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #196
RC_ITR wrote: post #84

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Semantically, damning water in the Great Lakes Watershed (how Columbus get's its water) is not THAT different from letting that water flow into Lake Erie and then piping it back. Point being, Ohio has very few long-term drought concerns.

> Semantically, damning water in the Great Lakes Watershed (how Columbus get's its water) Wrong. Columbus gets most of its water from the Scioto River, part of the Ohio/Mississippi River watershed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scioto_River You might be thinking about Cleveland instead, but I don't think anyone dares drink from the Cuyahoga River, since its had a history of catching fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wik…

The Cuyahoga is pretty darn clean these days.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by Retric »

gonehome wrote: post #401
asdff wrote: post #396

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You also pay taxes. But you are right that for the first movers it will be an easy transition into living opulantly in Ohio. The same can't be said for the next generation of workers, who graduate and have no capital accrued from working at bay area rates, and start their careers working for these Ohio based employers at Ohio based salary rates, and since Columbus is experiencing the same lack of supply issue everywh…

As long as the market is allowed to build housing to meet demand it's not too bad. Main issue in Palo Alto (and to a large extent the rest of the bay area) is that there's massive population growth in the bay area, but very little housing is allowed to be built. This creates artificial scarcity and the people that bought houses 30yrs ago accrue massive wealth because of it at the expense of new people (and the new pe…

Population isn’t coming from nowhere. You can also directly compare the amounts new housing vs new commercial development in the Bay Area to see what’s going on.

The rules created by existing residents where designed to push up rent and home prices, and they have succeeded.

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Post by mNovak »

mNovak wrote: post #255
mrfusion wrote: post #237

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Low geopolitical risk is probably one of the best factors.

Fun fact, Ohio was supposedly high on the Soviet nuke target list, because of Wright Patterson AFB, which houses the Air Force Research Lab (and aliens). I have an old Soviet invasion map of central Ohio, marking all potential airfields etc.

A couple people asked so I snapped some photos: https://imgur.com/a/wlN5aAe

Looks to be a 1:500,000 topo map of the Ohio/Kentucky/WV border. You can see Columbus and I think Dayton at the top. Google translate via camera is a real charm here.

Apologies in advance for Imgur, but two other services I tried simply didn't work /sigh.

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Post by _0w8t »

tracker1 wrote: post #385
amelius wrote: post #238

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For a fab, every US location is probably better than Taiwan. That's to say: it probably doesn't matter that much where they put it.

I'm somewhat concerned for Taiwan though... At least having a headstart on chip production gives them some cover from those who would be more likely to step in as China makes strides towards potential invasion. Could make HK look like a beach party.

The chip progress by TSMC was made possible by ASML from The Netherlands that supplied them with ultraviolet lithography machines. Those are real example of techno magic with ASML solving many really hard issues much sooner then was expected.

Surely TSMC advanced the process itself, but Samsung and Intel are not that far behind. But all of 3 use ASML technology and it is not allowed to be exported to China or Russia for that matter. Attacking Taiwan will make a prospect of getting that for China even more unlikely.

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Post by QuercusMax »

N1H1L wrote: post #138
gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

The midwest has some of the greatest engineering schools in the nation. I have been beating this drum hoarse for a few years now - but it's true. Specifically, members of the Big 10 conference are probably the best engineering schools conference in the world. Within 300 miles from Columbus (where you have Ohio State - Big10), you have Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, UIUC, Indiana, Purdue from the Big 10 along w…

Sadly Ohio's state government doesn't want to invest in higher education. My father was in the physics department at Kent State University (my alma mater) and I remember him complaining year after year about how the state was cutting funding. Really a shame.

Between this, Ohio's shameful anti-LGBTQ laws, and the truly awful racism, it's really like the state is trying to drive people away. I moved to CA 7 years ago and couldn't imagine moving back after talking to friends who are still there.

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Post by almost_usual »

ericmay wrote: post #403

Really disappointed in many of the negative and insecure comments coming from members of this community saying “Ohio sucks” or “Ohio State University sucks because it’s not Stanford” or “how many startups does Ohio have”. It really reflects poorly on those making these comments and I can’t help but think seeing a state not on the east or west coast being selected is causing fear and uncertainty in the lives of those…

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Post by lacker »

lr4444lr wrote: post #319
gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

Does it have a sufficiently educated workforce, or can it convince enough of one to move there, though?

There are many smart people who grew up in the Midwest and want to stay there. A lot of Midwestern public schools have pretty good engineering programs, it's not just OSU, there's also Michigan, UIUC, Purdue. These cheap midwestern cities seem like a pretty good place to put high-tech manufacturing in the US.

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Post by shroompasta »

ericmay wrote: post #403

Really disappointed in many of the negative and insecure comments coming from members of this community saying “Ohio sucks” or “Ohio State University sucks because it’s not Stanford” or “how many startups does Ohio have”. It really reflects poorly on those making these comments and I can’t help but think seeing a state not on the east or west coast being selected is causing fear and uncertainty in the lives of those…

I may be wrong, but I'm assuming one of the cardinal factors in the location came down to the cheapest labor they could find.

Competing with labor, in terms of willingness to work for a low wage, against Asia is next to impossible for these fabs.

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