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Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by tyrfing »

NationalPark wrote: post #247
TheCondor wrote: post #220

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With a potential $100b investment, it's not about what they have now, it's about what will be in 20 years. Ohio is a great place for this kind of corporate gentrification. As a CMU grad, I know there was a collective desire to get students to stick around, but there was better lifestyle, more money, etc.. leaving after school and a fairly large number of us weren't from the area to begin with. Something like this can…

Do chip plants employ many engineers? Seems like they would mainly need IT and facilities staff.

Relative to economic output, not really. In absolute terms, yes, because the plants are massive and "facilities staff" misses a lot when you're talking about machines worth 150 million a piece, clean rooms, and billions in depreciation per year.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

KerrAvon wrote: post #368
decremental wrote: post #354

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Name exactly one personal liberty afforded to women in California that is not afforded to women in Ohio.

You must not be aware of the ongoing threats to abortion in Ohio? https://www.abortionislegalinohio.com/ You can say that it's not technically illegal now, but it's unquestionably under assault in a way that it's not and won't ever be in California.

So you're saying maybe in the future there might be an issue?

Also plenty of people here want to ban abortion too. Tons of small counties have managed to prevent any kind of reproductive health clinics from opening or defacto forced them to close.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by [deleted] »

nebula8804 wrote: post #303
gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

A smaller but still important metric....the possibility of turning it permanently blue? (one can hope)

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Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by xxpor »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #107
xxpor wrote: post #85

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No wonder they grow all that lettuce in Yuma. Seems extremely stupid from a long term perspective, but what do I know. I'm just a software guy.

They grow lettuce in Yuma during the winter because it's warm enough to grow it there during the winter. Something around 90% of the USA's winter grown leafy greens produce comes from Yuma.

Why not florida?

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by tracker1 »

amelius wrote: post #238
gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

For a fab, every US location is probably better than Taiwan. That's to say: it probably doesn't matter that much where they put it.

I'm somewhat concerned for Taiwan though... At least having a headstart on chip production gives them some cover from those who would be more likely to step in as China makes strides towards potential invasion. Could make HK look like a beach party.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by justin66 »

ensan wrote: post #58

When it comes to proximity research institutions, the choice of location is strange to me. Somewhere in the northern Indiana/Illinois/Michigan (i.e. "Greater Michiana") would have made a lot more sense. That way, you would be close to, UIUC, Northwestern, UChicago, UMichigan, Purdue, Notre Dame, UIndiana, Argonne National Lab, etc.

> When it comes to proximity research institutions

...which has nothing to do with running a fab, if we're being honest about it.

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

reportingsjr wrote: post #343
llbeansandrice wrote: post #267

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I'll eat a sock if they bother with solar in Ohio. I guess it's better than nothing but large parts of Ohio just don't get that much sun. Wind is much more likely.

Cincinnati (where I live) is about half a year away from completing the largest city financed solar array in the US [0,1]. Ohio gets plenty of sun, in fact it averages more sun than _anywhere_ in Germany which is known for it's solar [2,3]. In Ohio for residential, which is a good bit more expensive than commercial/utility scale solar, the payback period is about 12 years[4], well within the margin of getting your mo…

> in Germany which is known for it's solar

Pretty sure Germany is more know for poor green energy planning, burning more coal, and instance on non optimal strategies for power generation (killing nuclear).

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by asdff »

rmah wrote: post #370
asdff wrote: post #313

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Cost of living in Columbus is low if you are looking at it with Coastal city eyes. That being said, its still the most expensive city in Ohio. Houses in the hot neighborhoods people write articles about were hitting 700k 6 years ago. Rents in new apartments are like $1300 for a 1 bedroom.

Is $1300/mo supposed to be high? I've seen parking spaces going for $600/mo where I live.

IMO thats high for ohio with the wages seen, considering you can find studios at that rate or 1br for a few hundred more in the LA area.

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Post by brewdad »

danielvaughn wrote: post #339
N1H1L wrote: post #138

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The midwest has some of the greatest engineering schools in the nation. I have been beating this drum hoarse for a few years now - but it's true. Specifically, members of the Big 10 conference are probably the best engineering schools conference in the world. Within 300 miles from Columbus (where you have Ohio State - Big10), you have Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, UIUC, Indiana, Purdue from the Big 10 along w…

Not sure if Colorado counts as midwest but there's also the School of Mines outside Denver. Very good engineering school.

School of Mines is 1,300 miles from this location. It's not really relevant compared to the others on the the list.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

nebula8804 wrote: post #371
taylortrusty wrote: post #355

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I suspect part of the appeal is it's not permanently blue.

People always complain about the downsides of all these blue areas but at the end of the day there is still a massive population that continue to live there. For example: Exodus from California is mainly limited to people making less than 100k a year. People making more than that actually increased their population in California. So this is mainly a rich vs poor issue. I'm excited at the prospect of transforming some…

I mean it's pretty much known that rich people can avoid nearly any consequence intended or unintended of politicians......

It's why people view the ability to ignore politics as a privilege having the resources to just avoid whatever they happen to do gives you a massive degree of freedom.

Also aren't these progressive policies supposed to have helped people on the lower end of the economic scale rather then forced them out?

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