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Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by dayofthedaleks »

mNovak wrote: post #255
mrfusion wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Low geopolitical risk is probably one of the best factors.

Fun fact, Ohio was supposedly high on the Soviet nuke target list, because of Wright Patterson AFB, which houses the Air Force Research Lab (and aliens). I have an old Soviet invasion map of central Ohio, marking all potential airfields etc.

There's a lot more to it than urban legends. A FEMA publication[1] from 1990 has a map on page 86 with assumed Ohio targets.

Tiny Waverly would have definitely been wiped off the map because of its fuel refining facility. There's a non-zero chance I keep my EMP-proof diesel truck running due to growing up in those times.

[1] https://www.jumpjet.info/Emergency-Preparedness/Hazard-Maps/...

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by nebula8804 »

vel0city wrote: post #311
azemetre wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an interesting point I never thought of before. Now I wonder if the tech giants would have faired better politically if they weren't all co-located in one of the most politically polarizing areas of the country.

It is a part of the reason why all the big government contractors are spread out all over the place. Even around a single metro area they'll have different offices in different congressional districts.

If you are on the winning end of that bloat life is pure happiness and joy. But if you are on the losing end (ie. not employed/a beneficiary of these firms) then you are paying dearly for the joy that others have.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by asdff »

jeffbee wrote: post #165
gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

Ohio has a lot going for it, geographically. It has major pre-war cities that contain identifiable centers. It has the same overall population density as Spain. Its major cities could easily be served by high-speed rail. It has a reliable source of fresh water. If it weren't for its across-the-board anti-government slate of elected officials, it could regain its prominence among the states.

The worst thing going for Ohio is the political landscape. An effort to restart passenger rail with a line from Cleveland to Akron was killed in the early 2000s, thanks to a small township of like 2000 people that would have had to hear a passenger train in addition to the freight rail traffic currently using the rail line already in place in their back yard. Regional planning is impossible with such a selfish and fractured political foundation, not to mention the gerrymandering done by statehouse republicans that maintains this state of dysfunction and pushes the state red.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by timr »

MrDunham wrote: post #124
qsmi wrote: post #67

Does anyone know why Intel would want to build a "mega-site" in the city of Columbus Ohio? Why not choose Cleveland Ohio where one has port access with an existing route to Europe? Fabs are international affairs, no matter where they're rooted, because just to keep the place running one needs a constant stream of parts from everywhere. It seems like being in a sea/rail/truck hub would be a logistics advantage. [1] ht…

So, I live in Columbus Ohio and I’m friends with two of the top people in our economic development department the broker this deal. I can’t speak well to why not Cleveland but I can say that the actual city that they chose (New Albany, OH, 25 min to downtown and 15-20 to the airport) was built by Les Wexner, founder of L brands/Victoria’s Secret, is now home to data centers for Facebook, Google, and an AWS data cente…

> was built by Les Wexner

I grew up near there. I guess I wouldn't quibble with the idea that Wexner "built" New Albany -- since it definitely isn't the same anymore -- but it was a town before he came along (two roads and a farm supply store, basically).

I used to go to summer camp at the old New Albany HS, and got my pickup truck stuck in the mud there many, many times while doing some odd job or another.

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Post by throwawayboise »

graycat wrote: post #265
kragen wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corrected, thanks, I'm an idiot. And I've actually been there .

I was a math grad student at IU. The place had one heck of a good music school, say, comparable to the best in the world. An Isaac Stern protege, later a concert master, violin prof, conductor, etc., put his old Italian violin under my left chin, and I was hooked. Took a violin course; the teacher, one on one, was FAR too good for what I needed and later played the Brahms concerto in Toronto! According to the rules,…

> As a grad student, since I was teaching ugrad courses, I got paid, enough actually to live nicely

When was this? Nowadays the grad students are constantly complaining that they don't get paid enough to live and mandatory fees are too high.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by gaoshan »

lr4444lr wrote: post #319
gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

Does it have a sufficiently educated workforce, or can it convince enough of one to move there, though?

It has Ohio State University. One of the largest Universities in the world (50,000-ish students) and one that has been rising in the rankings steadily over the last couple of decades. It's quite a decent public school today. There are over a dozen colleges and universities right in and around the city.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by nebula8804 »

flybrand wrote: post #27
ksec wrote: post #15

Intel said the same thing for Arizona as well. Initial $20B investment which could expand to $100B. So they are building it in two places. I wonder why they dont keep it all in Arizona? ( May be Tax Break, but I have no idea how Tax Break works in US ) And if you include their (expected) expansion in EUR, Intel is layering the foundation for Foundry Services. Compared to its half assed Custom Foundry in 2012/2013 wit…

> why not all AZ? Game theory between US states playing to get the most gov’t assistance? Finite pool of talent? Our plants are in rural areas and everyone is struggling to hire, from auto to bakeries.

>Our plants are in rural areas and everyone is struggling to hire, from auto to bakeries.

This is a solved problem isn't it? Just pay people more and treat them with dignity and respect. The pandemic has given a lot of people the opportunity to realize that they do not have to settle for poorly paid jobs that treat people poorly. You should have realized and adjusted by now. If you cannot accommodate to these requirements, then you have no place in this market anymore. Just close up shop and move on.

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Post by danielvaughn »

jnorthrop wrote: post #129
gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

Not to mention low probability of natural disasters: Earthquakes, tornados, wild fire, hurricanes, etc.

The first thing I thought about was tornados, actually. That Amazon facility in Missouri was just totally flattened back in December. Given the cost of manufacturing chips, it seems like it would be a huge loss if it was hit.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by danielvaughn »

N1H1L wrote: post #138
gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

The midwest has some of the greatest engineering schools in the nation. I have been beating this drum hoarse for a few years now - but it's true. Specifically, members of the Big 10 conference are probably the best engineering schools conference in the world. Within 300 miles from Columbus (where you have Ohio State - Big10), you have Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, UIUC, Indiana, Purdue from the Big 10 along w…

Not sure if Colorado counts as midwest but there's also the School of Mines outside Denver. Very good engineering school.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by MichiganHere »

lr4444lr wrote: post #319
gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

Does it have a sufficiently educated workforce, or can it convince enough of one to move there, though?

One of the reasons Amazon didn't come to Michigan was because there wasn't enough programmers.

There was actually enough programmers, but they had to compete with automotive wages which are typically above 6 figures.

Ohio doesn't have that industry, so it might be a way to get cheap educated labor that would otherwise move out of state.

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