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Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by mleo »

dsr_ wrote: post #221
devwastaken wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If all this was for is to ensure you live at an address then the local government can offer a number of solutions to that. If they want mail, they can simply mail you a unique qr code which you could then scan and complete the process entirely online. Or at a minimum bring physically to an office. A utility bill doesn't require proof of residency to get. Neither does a credit card statement. Infact if I were creative…

If you go to my local library and tell them you want a library card, but you don't have any ID, they ask you to give them your address. They send you a postcard, and when you bring it in, they'll give you a library card. No QR code necessary. The USPS could function quite successfully as an ID system and a bank, were they allowed.

This is what California did for RealID when they made a mistake early on. Federal government didn’t recognize one of two forms of verification California used and California mailed a post card to those affected. Was able to just go online with the code and verify receipt of the card.

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Post by dijonman2 »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #271
sjtindell wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s happening with voter suppression in the US today is contrary to that. Many people are petty and callous. It’s reality. They literally want everyone they don’t like to leave.

Yes they’ve been using the phrase “ensuring voter quality” to justify measures which essentially restrict access to voting for the poor.

I can’t help but see this as some sort of propaganda. Where’s the evidence this is a concerted effort against poor people?

You can’t do much in life without ID.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by jve »

lucb1e wrote: post #269
jve wrote: post #86

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Huh, I'm from EU. But what I remember from lectures on digital documents, they said something different. Will have to look up this stuff.

It has been four hours, OP is nowhere to be seen. I hope they're okay amidst all the legalese. More seriously, do let us know what you find. I've heard both sides on this but the "verbal agreement is also binding (just gl proving it)" side is usually from better sources like an actual lawyer posting on a forum as opposed to a random boss making claims about signature requirements, for example.

> from better sources like an actual lawyer posting on a foru

Yeah, you're right. Please do not take me as an authority or lawyer on that matters. It's just what I think I know, but I may very well be wrong :)

What I read is that even informational documents are considered in court. However document that bears legal validity, must contain: document name, date, signature (with exceptions) and recipient.

However I did found a relevant quote:

> Section 5. > (1) A document shall be signed in one's own hand. A document of the organization shall be signed by the person whose position is indicated in the document. A personal signature reproduced in a paper document using technical means shall not ensure legal force of the document.

https://likumi.lv/ta/en/en/id/210205-law-on-legal-force-of-d...

But I'm not sure if print->sign->scan qualifies, as the signature itself isn't put there with technical means. But this rules out putting image as a signature on PDF.

This is not talking about e-documents. E-document states that it must be signed with secure electronic signature.

I know Latvian people are reading this too and this document is very helpful in that regard: https://www.tm.gov.lv/lv/media/7605/download

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Post by valzam »

When I moved to Australia I needed to get some documents (uni degree, work experience etc) verified by the Australian Computer Society. They required me to get a notarized copy of the original and SCAN the notarized copy, to be uploaded electronically. To this date I've yet to come across anything more stupid than this....

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Post by bobthechef »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #271
sjtindell wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s happening with voter suppression in the US today is contrary to that. Many people are petty and callous. It’s reality. They literally want everyone they don’t like to leave.

Yes they’ve been using the phrase “ensuring voter quality” to justify measures which essentially restrict access to voting for the poor.

No post body was provided.

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Post by dillondoyle »

lemax wrote: post #240
radicaldreamer wrote: post #138

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It's also designed to make sure that poorer people who don't have stable, permanent housing have a tough time

I wouldn't say it's intentionally designed to do this, but that it's a consequence. There's no good reason anyone would intentionally want to keep the poor poor, it's just bad design.

I would say in certain - often southern R states - this is done on purpose to make it harder to vote.

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Post by dahfizz »

solveit wrote: post #254
dsr_ wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you go to my local library and tell them you want a library card, but you don't have any ID, they ask you to give them your address. They send you a postcard, and when you bring it in, they'll give you a library card. No QR code necessary. The USPS could function quite successfully as an ID system and a bank, were they allowed.

In fact postal services in many countries do function as banks. When I was a primary school student in South Korea, we all made a savings account at the local post office and learned about how banks work and the importance of saving money.

I've never understood this. There doesn't seem to be a natural synergy between delivering mail and storing money. Is it just because post offices are everywhere? Why not make court houses banks? At least they would have security. Or town halls?

It just feels kinda random.

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Post by kingkawn »

lemax wrote: post #240
radicaldreamer wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also designed to make sure that poorer people who don't have stable, permanent housing have a tough time

I wouldn't say it's intentionally designed to do this, but that it's a consequence. There's no good reason anyone would intentionally want to keep the poor poor, it's just bad design.

The reason the poor are discriminated against is to keep them poor. It’s pretty straightforward and often so reflexively implemented that it leaves room for someone to falsely claim it’s an unintended consequence.

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Post by galdosdi »

lemax wrote: post #240
radicaldreamer wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also designed to make sure that poorer people who don't have stable, permanent housing have a tough time

I wouldn't say it's intentionally designed to do this, but that it's a consequence. There's no good reason anyone would intentionally want to keep the poor poor, it's just bad design.

> There's no good reason anyone would intentionally want to keep the poor poor,

This seems naive to the point of being bizarre. Employers of lower skill and lower margin labor can get it cheaper if their prospective employees are more desperate and thus have less bargaining power. Low wages are the gift that keeps on giving because it keeps your prospective workers from saving enough to weather the risk of negotiating harder, quitting to look for better pay, etc.

If you look at places that have policies that seem to keep the poor down vs places less so, there's at least some clear correlation in terms of who the major employers with more influence in the state are -- those who rely more heavily on cheaper labor with lower profit margins, vs those who are much less exposed to that due to having higher profit margins or less of their costs come from commodity labor.

Just think about what the biggest businesses might be in say, Oklahoma versus New Jersey.

Another way to bring this point home, compare a middle class family in say, Mexico or India, to say, California or New York. Inequality is higher so the cost of basic labor is cheaper, which translates to people with the same middle class job in a place like Mexico or India being able to easily afford a lot more of the sorts of labor intensive services only wealthier people would have in much of the US, like a live in maid/cook, taking a long taxi trip to and from work 5 days a week, etc, stuff that a middle class person in the US would need to ration a lot more even if they do take some ubers here and there and eat out here and then.

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