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FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by Shared404 »

ipaddr wrote: post #249
Shared404 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Side note: Why don't we have national ID in the US? I know many people don't want us to risk becoming a "show your papers" country, but A) We already kinda are (ever been pulled over?), and B) It just makes more sense to have something like ID be centralized, preferably with a much better model then SSN's.

But SSN numbers already exist

Except knowing them is used as not just authentication, but authorization so you have to be careful using them as ID.

Also, there are collisions.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by sneak »

retzkek wrote: post #189
dheera wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if you're living in a van because #vanlife and you want to drive around the country nomadically for a couple years and not because you are actually financially qualified to be homeless? Like, what if you are a millionaire living in a fancy RV driving around national parks for a couple years?

Then you get a mail forwarding service, which gives you a proper "permanent" mailing address. DDG for "rv mail forwarding" for many options.

Which doesn't fulfill the utility bill requirement.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by sneak »

dheera wrote: post #182
sillystuff wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you do not have a physical address (e.g., live on a boat / in an RV), our local DMV will tell you to use the street address of a local homeless shelter. This probably won't get you past the requirement of utility bills in your name at that address to get a "Real ID" that allows domestic flights without a passport, though. Same thing for getting a PO box, you need a physical address first. The post office will tell…

What if you're living in a van because #vanlife and you want to drive around the country nomadically for a couple years and not because you are actually financially qualified to be homeless? Like, what if you are a millionaire living in a fancy RV driving around national parks for a couple years?

Then you rent a $500/mo bedroom somewhere, sleep in it once so it's not fraud to call it your residence, and have the roommates put the utilities in your name.

Now you have a residence address and utility bills in your name to your residence address, and you can get a driver's license there, just like a real boy.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by solveit »

dsr_ wrote: post #221
devwastaken wrote: post #200

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If all this was for is to ensure you live at an address then the local government can offer a number of solutions to that. If they want mail, they can simply mail you a unique qr code which you could then scan and complete the process entirely online. Or at a minimum bring physically to an office. A utility bill doesn't require proof of residency to get. Neither does a credit card statement. Infact if I were creative…

If you go to my local library and tell them you want a library card, but you don't have any ID, they ask you to give them your address. They send you a postcard, and when you bring it in, they'll give you a library card. No QR code necessary. The USPS could function quite successfully as an ID system and a bank, were they allowed.

In fact postal services in many countries do function as banks. When I was a primary school student in South Korea, we all made a savings account at the local post office and learned about how banks work and the importance of saving money.

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Post by sjtindell »

lemax wrote: post #240
radicaldreamer wrote: post #138

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It's also designed to make sure that poorer people who don't have stable, permanent housing have a tough time

I wouldn't say it's intentionally designed to do this, but that it's a consequence. There's no good reason anyone would intentionally want to keep the poor poor, it's just bad design.

What’s happening with voter suppression in the US today is contrary to that. Many people are petty and callous. It’s reality. They literally want everyone they don’t like to leave.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by gyulai »

I think the author of this tool is totally missing the point of the print/sign/scan legal hoop that one sometimes has to jump through. The law sometimes requires certain documents to be "in writing" and there is, unfortunately, a legal tradition tied to this that "in writing" means "physically on paper", which many lawmakers and bureaucrats unfortunately haven't managed to properly transition into the digital age.

However something that is quite a separate matter is the question of whether one needs to actually be in possession of that piece of paper. A scan of an original serves as proof that the original exists. ...and this is usually all that anyone requires for practical intents and purposes.

But: You're not supposed to do print/sign/scan, and then just throw away the original. You're kind of supposed to keep it in case you're ever asked by a court to produce it. The document partially loses its forensic value if no original can be produced.

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Post by idiotsecant »

lemax wrote: post #240
radicaldreamer wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also designed to make sure that poorer people who don't have stable, permanent housing have a tough time

I wouldn't say it's intentionally designed to do this, but that it's a consequence. There's no good reason anyone would intentionally want to keep the poor poor, it's just bad design.

There is, on the other hand, a strong incentive to keep poor people from getting ID. If you don't have ID you can still mostly do the peasant work that is required for those in power to stay in power but you can't remove them from power by voting because those in power are increasingly linking the ability to vote with the ability to get documentation which they are continuously working to make it more difficult for poor people to get.

Reap all the benefits of the slaves doing their work, avoid any of the downsides of having to actually listen to their needs.

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Post by lucb1e »

gyulai wrote: post #256

I think the author of this tool is totally missing the point of the print/sign/scan legal hoop that one sometimes has to jump through. The law sometimes requires certain documents to be "in writing" and there is, unfortunately, a legal tradition tied to this that "in writing" means "physically on paper", which many lawmakers and bureaucrats unfortunately haven't managed to properly transition into the digital age. Ho…

If that's the point, why does nobody ever say to keep the original?

If the counterparty needs it, why don't they request you sign two copies and send them one? The idea that they would later want it for forensic evidence that you really did sign it seems odd: if it's in their benefit and you wanted it to not exist, and you're the one possessing that original copy... you can make it not exist.

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Post by fart32 »

drjasonharrison wrote: post #208

Please don't use the WTFPL (the "whatever the fuck you want to do") license. It's not well thought out legally, especially in Europe. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL

> It's not well thought out legally, especially in Europe.

Does it matter, given its intent?

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Post by DaltonCoffee »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #138
devwastaken wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they also do this for ID's, and for voter ID's. It's specifically created to prevent people whom don't have only 1 permanent address,with paper billing, being able to live their daily lives. I had to go to a local county courthouse 4 times to get a "realid" and to renew a driver's license. I had to call all sorts of people to get printed statements sent to me. It's incredibly ridiculous, I would call it complete…

It's also designed to make sure that poorer people who don't have stable, permanent housing have a tough time

The poor man pays twice.
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