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Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by bonestamp2 »

hnthrowaway0315 wrote: post #208
kragen wrote: post #172

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Moving to Ohio was one of the worst decisions I made in my life. Dayton is proud of its history of innovation but most of the innovators left for California 50 years ago where innovation was allowed. What's left is the lumbering bureaucracies and sprawling empires that grew from the innovators' products: NCR, the GM plant, Otis.

Aside from Cal, which other State(s) do you consider to be at least growing a culture of innovation? Just curious because might move to US from Canada in the future.

I'm sure there are more, and I haven't been everywhere, but these are ones that stand out to me:

- Greater Boston area (outside of Boston, the high tech companies are pretty scattered)

- Chicago (and the North/West suburbs)

- Virginia (Tysons, Alexandria)

- North Carolina (Research Triangle)

- Portland

- Austin

The obvious ones: Bay Area, LA, NYC, Seattle area

If you're into specific industries, then there are areas that are more focused than others.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by kragen »

hardolaf wrote: post #223
kragen wrote: post #179

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CMU, CWRU, UMich, UIUC, and Indiana U are wonderful schools, but none of them are in Ohio [correction: I'm an idiot, CWRU is]. OSU doesn't belong in that list.

My undergraduate degree in ECE at OSU went far more in-depth on topics and set me up far better than the graduate programs at Purdue or UIUC do in their first year of graduate school. A huge part of that is that OSU's ECE department does not have senior-level courses. They only have senior/graduate courses. So the seniors are taking graduate level courses (when I went there, at least 4 were required to graduate). Als…

Purdue has a great reputation but I don't know anything about it personally except via Eugene Spafford. I may be biased because I like Scheme — SICP was a life-changing epiphany for me, and Essentials of Programming Languages was also quite revelatory — and Indiana has done a lot of inspiring Scheme work. I don't know of anything of similar importance from OSU but maybe they're really great in CPU design or subthreshold logic families or something?

As for getting in-depth information on topics, you don't need a university for that anymore. Library Genesis and sci-hub has more in-depth information on topics than you could ever possibly absorb, assuming it's legal in your country. What universities uniquely offer is community, financial support, and research: without universities, sci-hub would be a pretty empty place.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by kragen »

werm82 wrote: post #227
kragen wrote: post #206

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Columbus did seem nicer when I visited. But is it really "not down and out"?

It's one of only 14 cities in the US to gain 100k residents in the last decade.

What startups has it produced in the last decade? Or, more knowably, the decade before that, 02002–02012?

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by sfotm »

3825 wrote: post #191
sfotm wrote: post #163

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I'm an Ohio native that's recently moved back to the Columbus area myself. I know the area pretty intimately. Happy to respond to any questions about the area, as I'd love for there to be a larger tech scene around here.

Two questions, does the area have symmetric gigabit fiber? If so, how reliable is it in your opinion? If not, what is the best option for multiple family members working from home? How are water, electricity, sewage, road condition, utilities situation? Any reasons why a work from home worker might not want to live there?

The internet infrastructure in Columbus isn't on par with a lot of the larger cities, and I think you'd have a hard time finding the speeds you're looking for, judging by what I've found - seems like there's some limited AT&T fiber, but it's not widespread. My service is reliable, though, and I haven't found bandwidth to be a problem as a full-remote employee.

Utilities are solid and seem much less suspect to outages compared to Seattle, a city I have a lot of experience living in. It's as though having more extreme weather more often ensures that the infrastructure is up to a certain rigor.

Roads are important here, and are well-maintained and addressed (e.g. expect trucks to be salting roads in anticipation for snow storms). Roads are also incredibly well-laid out in an inner/outer belt system that I miss when driving in other cities.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by ct0 »

destitude wrote: post #200
gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

They are extremely anti-renewable energy though. There was attempt (not sure if it passed) to make wind turbines illegal.

Sounds more like they are anti turbine. Where does someone put a turbine when it's at the end of its life?

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by sneak »

mrfusion wrote: post #237
jnorthrop wrote: post #129

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Not to mention low probability of natural disasters: Earthquakes, tornados, wild fire, hurricanes, etc.

Low geopolitical risk is probably one of the best factors.

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Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by NationalPark »

TheCondor wrote: post #220
N1H1L wrote: post #138

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The midwest has some of the greatest engineering schools in the nation. I have been beating this drum hoarse for a few years now - but it's true. Specifically, members of the Big 10 conference are probably the best engineering schools conference in the world. Within 300 miles from Columbus (where you have Ohio State - Big10), you have Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, UIUC, Indiana, Purdue from the Big 10 along w…

With a potential $100b investment, it's not about what they have now, it's about what will be in 20 years. Ohio is a great place for this kind of corporate gentrification. As a CMU grad, I know there was a collective desire to get students to stick around, but there was better lifestyle, more money, etc.. leaving after school and a fairly large number of us weren't from the area to begin with. Something like this can…

Do chip plants employ many engineers? Seems like they would mainly need IT and facilities staff.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

NationalPark wrote: post #247
TheCondor wrote: post #220

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With a potential $100b investment, it's not about what they have now, it's about what will be in 20 years. Ohio is a great place for this kind of corporate gentrification. As a CMU grad, I know there was a collective desire to get students to stick around, but there was better lifestyle, more money, etc.. leaving after school and a fairly large number of us weren't from the area to begin with. Something like this can…

Do chip plants employ many engineers? Seems like they would mainly need IT and facilities staff.

They keep the process parameters within the optimal zone. That is considerably more complicated than it sounds. They also work on incremental improvements.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by penneyd »

ct0 wrote: post #245
destitude wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are extremely anti-renewable energy though. There was attempt (not sure if it passed) to make wind turbines illegal.

Sounds more like they are anti turbine. Where does someone put a turbine when it's at the end of its life?

Where does someone put a coal fired power plant when it's at the end of its life?
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