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Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by kragen »

hnthrowaway0315 wrote: post #208
kragen wrote: post #172

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Moving to Ohio was one of the worst decisions I made in my life. Dayton is proud of its history of innovation but most of the innovators left for California 50 years ago where innovation was allowed. What's left is the lumbering bureaucracies and sprawling empires that grew from the innovators' products: NCR, the GM plant, Otis.

Aside from Cal, which other State(s) do you consider to be at least growing a culture of innovation? Just curious because might move to US from Canada in the future.

Maybe Taiwan, Singapore, and Bangladesh? Canada's pretty great too.

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Post by Animats »

gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

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Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by hardolaf »

kragen wrote: post #179
N1H1L wrote: post #138

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The midwest has some of the greatest engineering schools in the nation. I have been beating this drum hoarse for a few years now - but it's true. Specifically, members of the Big 10 conference are probably the best engineering schools conference in the world. Within 300 miles from Columbus (where you have Ohio State - Big10), you have Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, UIUC, Indiana, Purdue from the Big 10 along w…

CMU, CWRU, UMich, UIUC, and Indiana U are wonderful schools, but none of them are in Ohio [correction: I'm an idiot, CWRU is]. OSU doesn't belong in that list.

My undergraduate degree in ECE at OSU went far more in-depth on topics and set me up far better than the graduate programs at Purdue or UIUC do in their first year of graduate school. A huge part of that is that OSU's ECE department does not have senior-level courses. They only have senior/graduate courses. So the seniors are taking graduate level courses (when I went there, at least 4 were required to graduate). Also, you list Indiana U? Really? I'm sorry, but it's second-tier compared to Purdue.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by hardolaf »

HelloMcFly wrote: post #94
dtwest wrote: post #81

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Columbus metro area is roughly the same size as Cleveland metro area so I don't think that is the reason. However, it could still have a talent advantage. Having OSU nearby is helpful, and maybe it is easier to attract talent to move to a city with a big university.

Columbus grew 15% in the last decade, Cleveland shrank 6%. That could also have something to do with as there's reason to believe it will continue to attract skilled talent.

You don't need skilled talent to operate fabs. You need people who can go through a 2 year degree program.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by quantumwannabe »

hnthrowaway0315 wrote: post #208
kragen wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moving to Ohio was one of the worst decisions I made in my life. Dayton is proud of its history of innovation but most of the innovators left for California 50 years ago where innovation was allowed. What's left is the lumbering bureaucracies and sprawling empires that grew from the innovators' products: NCR, the GM plant, Otis.

Aside from Cal, which other State(s) do you consider to be at least growing a culture of innovation? Just curious because might move to US from Canada in the future.

Innovation is a function of you and the people you work with, not where you live. You should be looking at the team you will be working on, not the reputation of a physical place or company. If you fail to do that, you will be disappointed when the reality inevitably doesn't match the hype. Nearly every state has loads of smart and innovative people, despite what HN's regional bias would lead you to believe. The exception would be the very tiny states, but they still have smart people, just fewer of them.

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Post by cududa »

7952 wrote: post #87
qsmi wrote: post #67

Does anyone know why Intel would want to build a "mega-site" in the city of Columbus Ohio? Why not choose Cleveland Ohio where one has port access with an existing route to Europe? Fabs are international affairs, no matter where they're rooted, because just to keep the place running one needs a constant stream of parts from everywhere. It seems like being in a sea/rail/truck hub would be a logistics advantage. [1] ht…

It has an international airport, intermodal rail freight depot and interstate highways. I would guess that raw materials can be transported by road or rail. Access to a waterway is sometimes needed for very heavy indivisible parts (not sure if this is commons for fabs) but that is unlikely to be a regular occurrence. Just drive it down the interstate with a police escort at 2am.

Plus Lake Erie gives you access to the Atlantic. Port of Cleveland got a huge update 10+ years ago and is still only used at about 7% capacity

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Post by werm82 »

kragen wrote: post #206
gaoshan wrote: post #195

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The region you live in matters greatly. Take Dayton. It doesn't impact me as I have not been anywhere near Dayton in all the years I've live in Ohio. Columbus, on the other hand, is a really nice city with a great vibe. I'm guessing it could be like saying, "Don't move to California. Moving to Riverside was the worst decision of my life." The real message is don't move to places that are down and out.

Columbus did seem nicer when I visited. But is it really "not down and out"?

It's one of only 14 cities in the US to gain 100k residents in the last decade.

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Post by scruple »

sfotm wrote: post #163
N1H1L wrote: post #140

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Both Columbus and Cincy are great. Cleveland is iffy and too snowy in my opinion

I'm an Ohio native that's recently moved back to the Columbus area myself. I know the area pretty intimately. Happy to respond to any questions about the area, as I'd love for there to be a larger tech scene around here.

Just out of curiosity, as another Ohio native who left and sometimes thinks of returning, where did you move back to Ohio from?

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Post by hardolaf »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #174

I wonder if big workforce investments like this in states like Ohio and Texas will eventually impact political leanings in the immediate area... will be interesting to see if anything's changed 10 years in

These are mostly blue-collar/striped-blue-and-white-collar jobs. So no, not really. Fabs are also giant ecological disasters. I wouldn't be surprised if Columbus was chosen over Cleveland because the different rules the Ohio EPA has based on localized pollution.
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