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When did tipping become 20%? The majority of my life it was 15%. Then at a certain point I started hearing 18%. Now it is 20%? Who is behind this?
Social norms. But, yes, it's creeped up from 15% before tax to 18-20% on the total bill in general.
Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you'll find that servers and bartenders are the most adimant supporters of tipping. They make a killing.
Making a killing is pushing it unless you're working at a high end place. I really wonder how many HN people have ever worked in a waitstaff role. As much as you might hate it, tips keeps you just above minimum wage 95% of the time. Its not some money fountain like some people here seem to thing it is. People who want tips of course want it because it gives them money on top of minimum wage, why the hell would you ex…
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#143It's a shame that the comments here are laser focused on the tipping parts of the article, and not the bigger picture items. The author outlines the struggles of getting service jobs filled in high CoL areas, the vicious cycle of turnover in these jobs, and all the commenters here want to discuss is the 2 paragraphs on tipping.
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#144I am always baffled when I read about the tip culture in the states. I find it so belittling for workers. It seems to incentivize a mentality of "the customer is always right", with workers putting an extra effort to always smile and be nice in the hope for a fair tip.
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#145It's a shame that the comments here are laser focused on the tipping parts of the article, and not the bigger picture items. The author outlines the struggles of getting service jobs filled in high CoL areas, the vicious cycle of turnover in these jobs, and all the commenters here want to discuss is the 2 paragraphs on tipping.
What's always disappointing to me is how for many the first instinct is "lazy young people" while often times the exact same people espouse "the free market". It seems to me that often times the same people really only care about low taxes for themselves and making away with regulations that annoy them, rather than truly embracing the mechanism and tradeoffs that come with a free market and for sure don't understand…
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#146The problem is that nobody in their right mind would see a movie in a theater these days. Your only customers are people who are all a few cards short of a full deck.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like you'd still have two customers (The burger is still in 'workin man''s budget), at 2/3 the food cost.
You are right, but I removed him to make the point that this is partly based on perception of the person doing the buying. Workin man this week is poor man next week and then some weeks he's richy rich. Do you want to capture all forms of this guy? None of this is rigorous of course but ya know we don't have a town full of 1 guy with a single budget. We have a town full of people with various and changing budgets, wh…
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you'll find that servers and bartenders are the most adimant supporters of tipping. They make a killing.
Making a killing is pushing it unless you're working at a high end place. I really wonder how many HN people have ever worked in a waitstaff role. As much as you might hate it, tips keeps you just above minimum wage 95% of the time. Its not some money fountain like some people here seem to thing it is. People who want tips of course want it because it gives them money on top of minimum wage, why the hell would you ex…
But if you talk about getting rid of tipping and replacing it with a living age? Look at the comments from this Reddit discussion some years ago (so the numbers are even higher when you factor in inflation) discussing Joe's Crab Shack's interest in getting rid of tips[1]:
> But if you are doing good volume and the prices arent insanely cheap I cant see how youre only making $15 an hour. Are you in a poor section of town where people dont have much money? Do you get a lot of foreign tourists as clientele? I mean, $15 an hour I can make while asleep. But Im in Philly. Prices arent insane usually but they arent cheap. Plus its one of the best tipping cities in the country. Personally I wont take a shift if Im not confident Ill make at least $20 an hour. For me its not worth my time.
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> This may or may not be close to the industry standard, but my last restaurant, I probably made somewhere around $25/hr (tips + wage). Restaurant before that was way more high volume, and even though we didn't really get paid an hourly wage, I would guess we made about $30/hr or so. On good nights and the bartenders? Probably even more.
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> I was bored out of my mind all 6 hours of my shift tonight and made $14X, so call it $150, aka $25 an hour. Oh, and that's with a stiff on $120, and a $6 on $94
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> Because serving tables isn't a job anyone would do for $7.75 an hour. It's not an easy job to excel at. I'll stay making my $25 an hour. Thanks.
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> This is what people outside of the industry don't seem to get. Strong servers arn't going to stick around for anything less than $20 an hour.
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromYourServer/comments/4iuy2q...
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#149The article isn't surprising at all. Workers rights are very poor in the USA. The people that are the worst off when this is the case is the lowest ladder of workers and service industry is in that camp. If you want these industries to stay open you'll need better workers rights. For example allowing such a poor minimum wage when tipping. Things like at-will working and such like don't help here either. At the drop o…
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like you'd still have two customers (The burger is still in 'workin man''s budget), at 2/3 the food cost.
You are right, but I removed him to make the point that this is partly based on perception of the person doing the buying. Workin man this week is poor man next week and then some weeks he's richy rich. Do you want to capture all forms of this guy? None of this is rigorous of course but ya know we don't have a town full of 1 guy with a single budget. We have a town full of people with various and changing budgets, wh…
Surely there must be a way because every other business seems to manage, and so do restaurants in 50%+ of the world.