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The United States of America federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees who receive at least $30 per month in tips.
State and local laws overrule federal laws if the federal law has a lower minimum.
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Any chance they're trying to end the practice of tipping for the betterment of workers in the long run?
Protesting that workers aren't getting paid by withholding money from workers is a rationalization. In the best outcome, the customer would be paying exactly the same amount that they pay now, or more, it just wouldn't be separated or optional in the bill. You can tell whether people complain about tipping because of fairness or just because they want a discount by whether they also complain about mandatory, fixed pe…
Also, a customer does not owe workers anything in the USA. Employers owe workers.
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Um, way to be incredibly classist. "If you can't afford to support someone else, why are you treating yourself to a luxury of any kind?" Everyone needs luxuries sometimes. The solution to tipped employees not getting enough money is not to bully people who can't comfortably afford higher tips out of going out; it's to a) encourage unionization, b) eliminate the separate "tipped minimum wage", and c) raise the minimum…
> Everyone needs luxuries sometimes. Then by definition that's not a luxury?
If I were saying "everyone needs to go to a restaurant on a regular basis," then it would be hard to justify me also calling going to a restaurant a luxury. But that's not what I said.
What everyone needs is some luxury in their life. Something that's not just there to keep you alive—something to make life worth living.
Having luxuries sometimes is what separates surviving from thriving. And yes, everyone—everyone, no matter their station in life, their choices, their income, whatever—needs and deserves to thrive.
It's a shame that the comments here are laser focused on the tipping parts of the article, and not the bigger picture items. The author outlines the struggles of getting service jobs filled in high CoL areas, the vicious cycle of turnover in these jobs, and all the commenters here want to discuss is the 2 paragraphs on tipping.
Indeed. The part about getting your income on an ATM card with mandatory fees no matter what you do seems like the best anecdotal example of how fucked things are for the little guy these days.
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I'm not sure I understand: me as a customer, whether I pay the menu + 20% tip, or I pay a menu 20% more expensive, I end up exactly the same. So why is for the restaurant owner better with tipping, instead of raising the prices 20% and putting an entry sign "no tipping needed here, we pay our workers right"? Even call the restaurant "no tipping place" if they wish. Can someone with experience in restaurant business e…
When did tipping become 20%? The majority of my life it was 15%. Then at a certain point I started hearing 18%. Now it is 20%? Who is behind this?
But, yes, it's creeped up from 15% before tax to 18-20% on the total bill in general.
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Would customers be willing to pay marginally higher menu prices if tips were explicitly not allowed? I assume there must be research on this.
Changing menu prices is probably a bit less elastic than letting people be flexible with their spending. I'm more likely to buy the burger that I can afford and stinge on the tip if I'm tight and come back next week and guilt tip when I'm full. Raise the price across the board and I'm not coming the tight week.
You can pay either $8 or $10 for the same meal. If you pay $8 you feel bad, if you pay $10 you feel good. Thereby the restaurant takes in the full $10 from people who can afford it and/or aren't psychopaths, but still makes the sale at $8 for anyone else.
It's a shame that the comments here are laser focused on the tipping parts of the article, and not the bigger picture items. The author outlines the struggles of getting service jobs filled in high CoL areas, the vicious cycle of turnover in these jobs, and all the commenters here want to discuss is the 2 paragraphs on tipping.
If you want these industries to stay open you'll need better workers rights. For example allowing such a poor minimum wage when tipping. Things like at-will working and such like don't help here either. At the drop of a hat any one of these employees could be fired so I doubt any of them will stay under poor working conditions.
I'm also surprised movie theatres are open on Christmas Day.
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I think you'll find that servers and bartenders are the most adimant supporters of tipping. They make a killing.
Making a killing is pushing it unless you're working at a high end place. I really wonder how many HN people have ever worked in a waitstaff role. As much as you might hate it, tips keeps you just above minimum wage 95% of the time. Its not some money fountain like some people here seem to thing it is. People who want tips of course want it because it gives them money on top of minimum wage, why the hell would you ex…
At least here in California, I’m pretty sure there’s no special tipped minimum wage, so what you’re saying doesn’t apply.
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Shame so many people think it is a customer’s job to pay anything more than what they are asked to pay.
Yeah, but if you go to a place that provides service in the US, you're signing up for tipping, and you know it. If you don't like it, stay in and cook and make your own drinks.
Did the person that poured concrete provide a service?
How about the person that helps you find something at the store?
We are all providing a service.