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Can you share what sleep meds helped you? Are you still taking them? My primary care doctor is not a big fan of sleeping meds. He also told me they are designed for short term use.
Sure. Belsomra seems to work the best for me (tried another drug in this same class, and the generic of Ambien I believe). The Belsomra class of drugs block 'wake receptors' vs. making you feel tired and putting you to sleep. There's more to it than that, but that's what I was told and it seems to be accurate. The Ambien made me feel terrible the next day, and the other drug gave me a sensation in my limbs that I did…
Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?
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#162I burnt out many years ago, kept ignoring it, went deeper down the rabbit hole and ended up with a major depressive disorder and a serious general axiety disorder. At one point before I went for professional help - too late ofc - when I was close to jump from the next bridge at any moment. It was 50/50 at that time that I would not survive, I was done for good. It took 10+ years of self-exploitation to bring me to this point. I never fully recovered, required serious medication just being able to do the simplest things for a couple of years. Being burnt-out is like being an ex-alcoholic, the wrong work environment and I am back on the self-exploitation wagon. It's not about stress or problems, it's about the self-exploitation. You are doing this to yourself, though the environment you work at may foster that tendency (often intentionally).
I was a rock star at work, invincible, the world was mine until there was nothing left inside me. I gave it all, never kept anything for the way back. I squeezed out more and more without noticing what I am doing to myself metally and physically as long term consequences. It never occured to me that things required more and more from me, even things I did with ease years before. And man, did I party hard, first on weekends only, later on weekdays as well. And serious spending sprees, worse than ever before. I just didn't care anymore. Just to ease the pain inside me that was eating me up. This went on for another year or so until I was done for good, Finished, down for the count in my 30s. I went for help one day, when I sat in tears at home while watching the documentary "The Bridge" on YT. I was the person with the long black hair that is about to jump. That was me, I felt it. I was already mentally there. It's me. I cried. But I had some fight left in me, something just didn't want to give up. Never understood what is was, it made no sense. It wasn't survival instinct. Maybe it was the rock star, that still had one last riff in him.
I wasn't able to work for years, just some pet projects of mine, just for me, silly things, but I could do them at least. Though there were weeks and months I barely could do anything. Even taking a shower took all energy I had left, often I didn't even manage that. During that time all my savings were eaten up, and I landed on wellfare for an extended period of time. My health went to shit as well. But everything was better than going back to the same kind of environment that made me sick in the end, or to phrase it better where I would exploit myself again.
Couple of years passed, I felt stable enough again. I noticed that I started to browse more often for jobs. Not sure what I wanted too do. But I fell into a trap: I looked at money, because I knew I deserved it. I turned down offers after a full interview cycle in the last second, just didn't sign. Jobs others would kill for. Why? I was afraid of falling back into old behaviour. But the banks wanted me, they wanted me so hard, that is were I belong - I thought - the big bonus checks I always strifed for, the acknowledgement I never got at home. But I couldn't get myself to sign. I was afraid. But it felt good to know that the the ones who once turned me down desired me. Saying no, gave me some unknown streangth I hadn't felt in years.
Had a lot of interviews as I grow stronger again. Many rejections, many bad interviews. Either they did not want me, or I didn't want to work there. I took jobs at two startups, thought their ways may help, each a year part, and got fired after a few weeks on each for cause. Yeah, deserved it - I just couldn't deliver anymore, I was not ready, even though the demands were low for someone of my skill. I thought my talent was gone for good, that I lost the magic touch.
Then the right job came along at the right company in an environment I felt safe in. I knew it right away during the screening call. It was clear, that environment cannot harm me. Didn't even had too jump through hoops, it was probably love at first sight; The environment there was for sure toxic by objective standards, but in a different way, a way that could not harm me, that could not not push me over the edge to exploit myself again.
And now the kicker: it was FAANG...
Probalby the one with most toxic, fear ridden environment of all, if you believe stories on the net. But for me it was different. I was very relaxed, sometimes did more hours, somtimes less. Some days I had no productive output, some days I had a lot of energy. But I was able to deliver, the little engine that could, the rock star slowly came back. For me, it might have been the near absence of bureacracy and admistrative overhead. I was given, a lot of freedom, but sure I had to deliver in return. Sometimes there was a lot of stress, sometimes things just sucked, but all in all I never felt pressured to perform in that pressure cooker, I just did and it felt natural.
I saw peers running after the big pay checks, mentally jacking of to the stock value rising. I just didn't care, I was more than decently compensated, probably less than others at my experience level. But I just didn't care, didn't even negotiate or cared what they will offer me initially. When the offer came I just signed, didn't even look at compensation plan details. I was also not that attacjed to physical things and possessions anymore compared to how it has been before, though I could afford a lot. I was also not obsessed with building wealth, sure I build some again. But it could go boom tommorrow and I would have shrug it off. I had a more than decent paycheck, what do I need more?
Maybe that is the result of hitting rock bottom. Who knows? But be aware, rock bottom has a basement, I've seen it...
Right before the pandemic I left FAANG, but only because I wanted to leave the US behind. The America I immigrated once to and that I loved with all its flaws was just not at home anymore. It feelt like place that got stranger to me every day, though I spent most all of my life there. But I felt it was time to go. My FAANG also changed, bot good or better I don't know. But it wasn't my FAANG anymore. The one lesson I learnt during my dark times: There is no lock on the cage! FAANG tried to keep me, said I could work from one of the branches in other countries, even making me really obscene compensation offering that for sure I was not worth. Thank you, but no thanks, I need to go.
There is no lock on the cage!
Now have a job that pays terrible for my skill level, but the fun thing is, I am as stable as I never have been before. I would say I am even on the edge of being happy again 10 years after I completly broke down, though my health lies in shambles, but I just do not care. Just one day after another, enjoying the little things. On occiasions though I notice that I start to exploit myself again. Nah, not gonna happen for sure...
Now that I think of it, I guess I am happy now...
Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please see my prior linked PubMed article about psychological addiction. My point is that psychological addiction is a concern for burnt out people looking for a solution, or people who quit their job and have time to fill. Psychological addiction is different than chemical addiction.
I understand. The PubMed link says nothing about psychedelics though, which is the subject of this thread. It's merely stating the difference between substance and non-substance abuse.
It seems there's an irreconcilable difference in the definitions of addiction that we are using. I think those reading have enough info to view the arguments and make up their minds.
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
> At the end of the day, the business has to do the right thing for the organization, even when that's not to the benefit of an individual in the organization. How dystopian. When a colleague of mine burned out they talked to their boss and the boss assured them to take as much time as they needed. Then the boss made sure that everybody took as much load off of them as possible so they don't have to worry about proje…
How utopian. I manage a team with hundreds of engineers on it. If I have someone who is taking a year off (with pay I presume), I have to give their work to people. Once enough people do that, I have exhausted the capacity of the team and will surely see the team enter a spiral of burnout that I can only solve by adding dramatically more people or radically reducing our commitments. This will negatively affect our bu…
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#165> Should I tell my boss and/or team? No, they will stab you in the back, no matter how much you think they won't. > Should I take time off? How much? Yes, if possible several months or a year so you have time to get fully away from the grind. > Is there something in my working environment I should try to change? Probably reduce the volume of work you are doing or do something that you care about more. > Is there anyt…
> > Should I tell my boss and/or team? > No, they will stab you in the back, no matter how much you think they won't. I disagree that this is universally true. I have had at least 2 bosses that I know would help deal with burnout because 1 of them helped me and the other I have seen help others in this same situation. A good boss cares about their employee's health and wants to keep good workers. I agree that your ad…
The other part of the advice, namely that your colleagues will backstab you, is even more worrisome. I'd go so far as to say that if you don't have at least some colleagues you can safely tell something like this, then you are in the wrong environment.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
> At the end of the day, the business has to do the right thing for the organization, even when that's not to the benefit of an individual in the organization. How dystopian. When a colleague of mine burned out they talked to their boss and the boss assured them to take as much time as they needed. Then the boss made sure that everybody took as much load off of them as possible so they don't have to worry about proje…
How utopian. I manage a team with hundreds of engineers on it. If I have someone who is taking a year off (with pay I presume), I have to give their work to people. Once enough people do that, I have exhausted the capacity of the team and will surely see the team enter a spiral of burnout that I can only solve by adding dramatically more people or radically reducing our commitments. This will negatively affect our bu…
There it is: address the issue before enough people do that. There will only be lots of people taking a year off if you ran them into the ground, if capacity planning is decent you won't have a significant percentage of the workforce out sick...
Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?
#167Second, take some time off. Burnout can sometimes be hard to shake off when you are still at work. You may be scared of having so much time on your hands, but you can always go back to work :)
Think about starting therapy. Often burn outs are not because of actual external pressure, but because of the internal pressure we put on ourselves because we put on ourselves. If the root cause is not solved, there is so point in going back to work because it will happen again.
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#168> Should I tell my boss and/or team? Should I tell them right away, or wait until I know what other steps I want to take? What should I expect their reactions to be? No there're not your family. You need to talk with a professional and take decision together. > Should I take time off? How much? Or should I try to work reduced hours? It's impossible to say. Everyone is different. Some need to work part time, others a…
Did I just read that you got 80% of your salary while doing absolutely nothing for a year? Congrats, but we aren't all so incredibly lucky.
"Nothing" is not a vacation. Mental health problem is a bitch. In this whole 1y, for 4 months I was in a bad place.
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#169I took 6 months off work and was thankful every morning I had been wise enough to have healthy savings for "a rainy day". In those 6 months I introduced some life changing habits and reassessed life's priorities. Ironically, the burnout was probably the best thing which ever happened to me, both mentally and physically.
what did you do for those 6 months if i may ask?
It's surprising how much you can do at zero (or almost zero) cost. I never felt like the clock was counting down to get well again which was enormously beneficial psychologically.
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#170You need to be real with yourself. Is my job killing me?
If your job is the source of your stress, you need to leave. Find another workplace or job that doesn't suck.
Leaving a toxic workplace is the best decision you'll ever make.