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Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

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Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#11
The bad news is it’s going to take a long time to heal. The good news is you can come back happier than you can imagine.

In an ideal scenario you would quit working entirely to focus on your health, but I’m guessing this is not an option.

You need to focus on the body first. The most important is sleep, but that is also difficult to address directly, so it’s best to focus on diet and exercise. You’ll likely have to design your entire day and week around these two things.

Try the Whole 30 program first. It’s a way of eating that eliminates inflammation causing foods. DONT TRY TO LOSE WEIGHT! Weight loss is important for overall health but you’ll usually sleep worse during a weight loss phase. That said you’ll probably lose weight naturally anyway.

Give up the alcohol for 30 days and consider weening off caffeine at some point since both of these will mess up your sleep.

For exercise, you just have to find something enjoyable enough to do at least 3x per week. It really doesn’t matter what it is as long as it makes you a bit sore. Consistency is key - don’t overdo it by jumping into something like CrossFit.

Lastly, WHY are you burning yourself out? Are you afraid of failing? Afraid of being broke? Afraid of being perceived as a loser? The WHY is a spiritual problem and may be addressed through meditation (slow), psychotherapy (slower), or psychedelics (fast but more risk). Until you resolve the WHY of your burnout you’ll likely remain stuck in this cycle.

Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#12
Not a shrink but these clues all seem to point to depression. Very much worth looking into clinically AND with an open mind.

As far as should you tell your boss and/or team: my highly sophisticated algorithm for this is, if you were the boss, would you want to be notified? It's not smart to tell the team: it would percolate to the boss in a distorted form anyway, but also it's up to your boss to deal with the issue properly.

I have a todo list of about 6 million things to do before I die so I can't empathize very well with the boredom thing. My instinct though is that it's very good for you to be challenging yourself somehow. If not with a hobby, then maybe something like sports/self defense/meditation would do the trick.

I think you're going through something bigger than it may seem at the moment. Good luck on your journey.

Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#13
How much money do you have saved up ?

Do you have a family ?

Let's assume your answers are a lot and no.

Just stop. I quit a horrible job in my youth without knowing if I'd make rent next month.

It was worth it,but only because I didn't have any dependents. With a family this is insanely reckless.

Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#14
I took 6 months off work and was thankful every morning I had been wise enough to have healthy savings for "a rainy day". In those 6 months I introduced some life changing habits and reassessed life's priorities. Ironically, the burnout was probably the best thing which ever happened to me, both mentally and physically.

Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#15
If you are working crazy hours then you need to cut back. If you cannot cut back hours beyond a normal work week, then you need to find a new job.

Find something to do in your spare time that interests you, something unrelated to your work.

Get out of the house, change your scenery. I find that leaving town, even just for a day, helps a lot. Go camping over night, get off the grid and disconnect. Getting fresh air and a little exercise goes a long way.

Don't discount the value of being bored, you might need to get bored before you figure out what to do with yourself.

Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#16
> Should I tell my boss and/or team?

It really depends. If your boss is generally a good person he'll be glad to know and try to help you. If he's a shitty person he might use it against you or think less of you. You should know or at least be able to guess which way he should be leaning. Not sure I'd tell the team though, this should be between you and your boss for now, it shouldn't become the company's gossip.

> I'm hesitant because I don't have many hobbies (if any) and in the middle of the pandemic there isn't much to do anyway.

To me that is telling something. It's quite possible you also have a mild depression going on (and could be that the burnout is exacerbated by it). What I mean is it might be that things aren't as you'd like them to be in other areas of life, which can eventually hurt your job performance since your mental well being isn't great. Keep getting the support you need, be willing to make some changes. Rooting for you.

Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#18

Out of curiosity what are the symptoms of severe occupational burnout? How would you differentiate it from something like depression?

burnout can lead to depression and vice versa. Honestly the treatment for both burnout and non-chemical depression is the same: eat healthy, exercise moderately, sleep enough, minimize stress, try to find hobbies you enjoy, and take time off if you feel you need it (with burnout the answer is always yes, but taking time off can help improve depression too)

Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#19

Out of curiosity what are the symptoms of severe occupational burnout? How would you differentiate it from something like depression?

From the ICD: "Burnout is a syndrome conceptualized as resulting from chronic workplace stress that has not been successfully managed. It is characterised by three dimensions: 1) feelings of energy depletion or exhaustion; 2) increased mental distance from one’s job, or feelings of negativism or cynicism related to one's job; and 3) a sense of ineffectiveness and lack of accomplishment. Burn-out refers specifically to phenomena in the occupational context and should not be applied to describe experiences in other areas of life."

https://icd.who.int/browse11/l-m/en#/http://id.who.int/icd/e...

For comparison depression is "depressed mood or diminished interest in activities occurring most of the day, nearly every day during a period lasting at least two weeks accompanied by other symptoms such as difficulty concentrating, feelings of worthlessness or excessive or inappropriate guilt, hopelessness, recurrent thoughts of death or suicide, changes in appetite or sleep, psychomotor agitation or retardation, and reduced energy or fatigue."

https://icd.who.int/browse11/l-m/en#/http%3a%2f%2fid.who.int...

Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#20
This will be a USA centric response because while other countries have very different options I assume that like me you are in the states.

I'd start by seeing a therapist.

It's nice to have someone to speak with about your issues that can help provide guidance.

I spent better part of a decade working every day I was awake. Started seeing a therapist after working with some truly horrible people who now face serious repercussions for their actions.

Recently, I splurged on some retro game stuff. I spent years ignoring retro gaming. I thought these were relics for immature man children who lived in their parents basement. My wife also hates the look so I had spent years not only turning a blind eye toward them but also putting what I did own since childhood into storage for when we started a family. Once I went down the rabbit hole of some retro games I don't think I'll be looking back. I found that not only are they fun to play but I have a passion for restoring them. I started by re-learning how to repair integrated circuits (I hadn't used a soldering iron in 20 years before this). Now I plan to save as many as I can.

All I'm saying, start by talking to someone who will listen and you can feel comfortable talking with. A therapist was good for me because you pay them to be your confidant. Mental health is like any other part of your body you care for.

I would however absolutely not let any co-workers or representatives of your employer know what you are going through. There is a terrible stigma around mental health and it will be perceived as a disability/weakness by some in a manner that could impact your livelihood.

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