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Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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I don't think the problem is with capital writ large, but rather the perverse influence of capital incentives as applied to a personal security product. The value one gains from a personal security product (data portability, availability, accessibility) is often at odds with the interests of capital, which lean towards moat construction and rent-seeking. Over time, in a for-profit company, capital will always "win".…

> For an adjacent example, LastPass never took a dime of VC money (afaict), but their structure as a for-profit company pushed them to lock down their product and charge rents, where they had not previously. If they had taken VC money or went public instead, it may have delayed the inevitable, but it only would have been a delay, not a solution. I do not understand. It's a business. Why would anyone expect important…

> Why would anyone expect important services to be free?

I think the "common person" does not see these as growth hacks. The internet is full of things that "appear" free, and have "appeared" free forever.

You have x-ray vision for how these businesses work internally, and you describe the playbook very accurately, but most people do not have this kind of context.

Which makes it hard for those people to distinguish "good people doing good work for the good of all" from the playbook you describe. It's especially hard when the company describes itself as the former externally.

> Capital incentives unchecked by a counter balance of leadership actually believing in the mission of the company can lead to bad outcomes.

This is true. As a customer, depending on the good-will of leadership to counterbalance the influence of capital is depending on humans, and even really good ones are fallible and temporal.

A for-profit company blessed with good leadership today does not guarantee a for-profit company with good leadership tomorrow, a year from now, and so-on. Eventually, within the constructs of a for-profit company, capital always wins.

> In my opinion great products need a strong balance of capital and ideals.

Yep yep, value creation and openness are not mutually exclusive, and one does not have a monopoly on the other.

However, I'd argue that value capture and openness are mutually destructive: only one wins in the end, and the total victory of either marks the death of a business (i.e. something that generates profits for shareholders).

From a consumer's point of view, once an organization gets in the mindset of optimizing for value capture over value creation and openness, it's time to consider moving on.

The paradigm-shift of software is that the victory of openness no longer means the destruction of customer value, because OSI-licensed software can outlive the business.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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They previously raised $100M in 2021[1] and in my mind the rot has already set in. 1Password 8 is not OS-native and is an electron app. Local vaults are no longer supported - you must use AgileBits's cloud. And 1Password 7 shows non-dismissible ads for upgrading to 1Password 8[2]. Edit: They also inexplicably (and silently) dropped support for the 1Password iOS share sheet while directing users to the 1Password iOS S…

I'm hanging on to 1password 6 for as long as I can. I can't use the browser plugin on firefox anymore, so I have to copy&paste my passwords in, but at least I have my vault stored locally. I also paid something like $70 and had the rug pulled from under me when they wanted to start charging monthly on top of that. It's not that I expect support forever for software I paid once for, but I think that the monthly, no lo…

I am using 6, and the classic extension still works for me on Firefox. It was only when they discontinued (and refused to port) the Safari classic extension that I couldn't use Safari anymore.

[0]: https://support.1password.com/cs/1password-classic-extension...

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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"1Password Has Raised $620M" Ah fuck. They now need to grow at any cost to earn all that money back. And they'll throw their users under the bus, if they have to, because it's either grow like a unicorn or go bust. Also, I sincerely have no clue how a password manager could be so expensive. Last time I checked, the excellent KeePassXC was still free open source and developed by volunteers in their free time. How come…

Just switch to self hosting bitwarden. Stop using "the cloud" as much as possible.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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post #166

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I dont have any Chrome browser to test, but this has always been possible with the Firefox extension, so Id be surprised if it wasnt possible. There is a small cog in the top left side where you can change the URL to use when you login, in case you simply overlooked it.

Will again take a look. I used Google to find a tutorial and that dpole of said cog, but I wasn't able to find it.

I just made this screenshot in a chrome-based browser for you:

Top left here: https://imgur.com/xCgrot0

If you click on that, the "Server URL" field is where you want to put your private instance: https://imgur.com/Gua3jSb

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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I always thought the term was at least a little self deprecating; it definitely and doesn't mean "dumbed down so the stupid wife can actually use it." There are a lot of technical enthusiasts and hobbyists, mostly dudes, who optimize for dumb parameters that nobody in the real world actually cares about. In this case, setting up a clunky, but fully open source password manager, when there are alternatives with object…

SAF is taken by Sir Alex Ferguson, sorry mate

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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"1Password Has Raised $620M" Ah fuck. They now need to grow at any cost to earn all that money back. And they'll throw their users under the bus, if they have to, because it's either grow like a unicorn or go bust. Also, I sincerely have no clue how a password manager could be so expensive. Last time I checked, the excellent KeePassXC was still free open source and developed by volunteers in their free time. How come…

They previously raised $100M in 2021[1] and in my mind the rot has already set in. 1Password 8 is not OS-native and is an electron app. Local vaults are no longer supported - you must use AgileBits's cloud. And 1Password 7 shows non-dismissible ads for upgrading to 1Password 8[2]. Edit: They also inexplicably (and silently) dropped support for the 1Password iOS share sheet while directing users to the 1Password iOS S…

This is crazy. Is there any reason to learn how to write with a speedy native toolkit anymore??

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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post #358

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Bitwarden is free for individuals and couples. So, it's free user-friendly (WAF!!) wise [0] in comparison to 1pass [1]. But much more important thing is the fact that bitwarden is open source and 1pass not. Closed source is deal-breaker for me. [0] https://bitwarden.com/pricing/ [1] https://1password.com/teams/pricing/

Bitwarden free edition is free. The free edition is crippled and doesn't support Yubikey among other things.

I thought that it had all the same features, just not cloud sync. As far as I know the Yubikey is used for authenticating with their sync server. It doesn't actually help with the encryption
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