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Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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What are solid european alternatives?

Nextcloud would be a solid European alternative for office365. It's a file sync, groupware, office and xhat solution all in one. It's open source, self hostable and has enterprise support. Disclaimer: I work at Nextcloud so I'm a bit biased

MS is completely entrenched in so many EU companies that this will never happen.

You can't even get people that need a simple word processor or spreadsheet to use LibreOffice.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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As a European, frankly this is ridiculous. I'm as concerned as anyone about privacy issues but GDPR has just gone too far in the sense that nobody really understands it (I've undergone trainings with 2x previous employers and everyone just kind of shrugs that it doesn't make sense and we'll do our best bla bla bla ...) and that now they're trying to make an actual useful piece of software illegal ? And that for reaso…

They are only making transferring data outside of Europe as illegal right? I'm not getting what's over reaching in this

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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Nope. I've heard some people talk about company constructions where you create a new officially unaffiliated company in the EU, that then just lends the IP to create a datacenter from the US-based companies, but I'm not sure if that's actually feasible.

If that company is entirely separate (but happens to have the same investors) and no more money flows between them than the cost of IP, then that may just work. You'll have to be careful not to let shares fall into the wrong hands, though because the two companies might eventually grow apart as a result of having different shareholders with different opinions. Such a move might also be frowned upon by the American go…

Yeah but I think this goes bigger than this. We might see Google Analytics now, but we're going to end up seeing problems with European companies using AWS, Azure etc. later on. _That_ might be big enough to warrant it.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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Not correct. You are not free to share PII with Google (or anyone in the USA).

That's not true. Transfer to third countries is legal, as long as you _properly_ inform people of the risks that it poses, and it's completely voluntary: > finally, if a transfer of personal data is envisaged to a third country that isn’t the subject of an Adequacy Decision and if appropriate safeguards are absent, a transfer can be made based on a number of derogations for specific situations for example, where an i…

GP said: "You are free to share any data with Google that you wish." That is not consistent with GDPR, and that's what I was saying. And the Austrian court has confirmed that.

The court has not said that it's illegal to use GA.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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The CLOUD Act itself is the issue. Don't use MS Office 365 or any other US based service even if their servers are in Europe as they can not guarantee that your data is not accessible by the US. Amazon and Cloudflare are all great service but your data is under US jurisdiction.

So the entire EU is going to be forced to use Open Office or some other equivalent? Non tech people will hate this and it will cripple many businesses that rely on Microsoft Excel. You'd be surprised how much of the world economy is based on emailing Excel sheets back and forth

The EU institutions (that came up with this crap) are so bad at managing their hard & software (2 years in to the pandemic, their employees are still WFH on MS tablets with VPN connections that are super unstable).

I can't wait to see the clusterfuck of them trying to migrate away from MS.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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Great victory. I bet firebase crashlytics is illegal as well in EU.

The reason I uninstalled the hacker news app 'Materialistic' is because it regularly crashed and was probably unvoluntarily siphoning off pii data through the crashlytics module.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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> How does the consumer know it is zero-knowledge? The courts, not consumers, are the ultimate deciders in this situation. Companies say so under oath and a judge weighs the evidence.

That's not strictly true - or at least - it's missing a piece. When a company decides to use a product, it needs to ensure that product is legal to use in their jurisdiction(s). If it gets to a court, it's likely that the consumer/client is the claimant and the Company who chose to use US Product X is the defendant. The company who makes US Product X is likely nowhere to be seen.

> When a company decides to use a product, it needs to ensure that product is legal to use in their jurisdiction(s)

This is the proximal decider. They’re predicting the decision of the ultimate decider, which remains the courts. Providers would have to make the proximal deciders comfortable that the ultimate deciders will accept their compromise.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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post #179

As a European, frankly this is ridiculous. I'm as concerned as anyone about privacy issues but GDPR has just gone too far in the sense that nobody really understands it (I've undergone trainings with 2x previous employers and everyone just kind of shrugs that it doesn't make sense and we'll do our best bla bla bla ...) and that now they're trying to make an actual useful piece of software illegal ? And that for reaso…

They are only making transferring data outside of Europe as illegal right? I'm not getting what's over reaching in this

What will it solve?

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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As someone 'on the ground' I see things moving in a much more uniform direction than where they were in the past, the differences are not large enough to make a fuss about. The thing to note is that the GDPR is a minimum set, local law is free to exceed the GDPR.

There is currently an EU member challenging the concept of European law’s primacy. Meanwhile, implementation of other courts’ rulings are delayed by years between jurisdictions. There is zero chance, for instance, that anyone in Greece or Portugal or Ireland will be impacted, judicially, by this decision for several years. That’s better than before. But it’s far from e.g. a U.S. federal court ruling in California’s i…

There is currently an EU member challenging the concept of European law’s primacy

That's a charitable phrasing. As per Protocol 2 on the functioning of the European Union, article 8 [2]:

The Court of Justice of the European Union shall have jurisdiction in actions on grounds of infringement of the principle of subsidiarity by a legislative act, brought in accordance with the rules laid down in Article 263 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union by Member States

What Poland did was declare nationally (government, and then a national court) that the EC was infringing on its sovereignty (principle of subsidiarity). But as the above text says, national governments don't have jurisdiction when it comes to matters questioning the primacy of European law.

[2] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:12...

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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Libertarianism is definitely against murder. And quite a few libertarians believe that the FDA and EPA do too much to protect corporations from lawsuits, basically, if it meets their guidelines doesn't matter if it kills you, the company is protected. Absurd reductionism isn't helpful.

Might I add, realistic libertarians do what you're saying But there are extreme factions of libertarians who really question things like "Do mothers really have a duty to take care of their children?" or think that private tribunals would work in practice.

> But there are extreme factions of libertarians who really question things like "Do mothers really have a duty to take care of their children?"

You mean feminists?

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