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Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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Hetzner, OVH, Leaseweb, Scaleway. How many cloud providers do you need?

Please remember me for how long OVH was down when they lost an entire "DC"? And how much customer data did they lose?

I don't need many, just one on par with the worst of the 3 major US clouds.

I'd even be happy with one that makes it in the top 10.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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What does it mean these days to be a “European website” (or a “Canadian website”, etc)? The server is located in Europe? The domain name is owned by a company registered in Europe? What if a CDN serves the site from another location? What if the site is served in an iframe on a site in another location?

Basically the GDPR considers anything that's accessible or marketed to EU residents (not citizens) under its jurisdiction. In practice this is (probably) pretty much every side that isn't a local business or specifically blocking visitors from the EU.

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The CLOUD Act itself is the issue. Don't use MS Office 365 or any other US based service even if their servers are in Europe as they can not guarantee that your data is not accessible by the US. Amazon and Cloudflare are all great service but your data is under US jurisdiction.

So the entire EU is going to be forced to use Open Office or some other equivalent? Non tech people will hate this and it will cripple many businesses that rely on Microsoft Excel. You'd be surprised how much of the world economy is based on emailing Excel sheets back and forth

You are assuming that these businesses are using online versions of Excel (or whatever) that store the data under US jurisdiction. If they have committed to using online services that rely on US storage, then they have made a bad mistake - that is not allowed, and this case just reaffirms that.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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Seems to raise a couple profound questions: 1. Is there a credible alternative (comparable ease of access and implementation)? 2. Does the absence of such a tool hinder business operating efficiency?

If the answer to #1 is no, then any assertions that Google is not operating as a monopoly in the space are undercut. If the answer is #2 is no, then there are quite a few BI/Analytics/Strategy personnel who might find their value more difficult to justify!

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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Libertarianism is so silly. "My freedom to live would be best served if there weren't politicians micromanaging other people's right to murder me". It's like a parody.

Libertarianism is definitely against murder. And quite a few libertarians believe that the FDA and EPA do too much to protect corporations from lawsuits, basically, if it meets their guidelines doesn't matter if it kills you, the company is protected. Absurd reductionism isn't helpful.

Are libertarians into informed consent? Because if they are, then they'd be against most of the data scraping going on.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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This is not about downloading content, it's about uploading content.

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It's an asymmetric relationship. You may think you are able to out-smart Google, and you might be one of the very few people who are, but society as a whole is not served well for the vast majority of people who even if they spent 24/7 researching and learning would still not stand a chance against multinational corporations.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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Looks great! But I feel that $9/month (up to 10k views) is a bit much for my personal website... I pay that much to Google now, but I get a whole suite of tools besides analyticsm, like email addresses (for my whole family under our surname as a domain, which is cool), my own domain (via GogoDaddy, but I got that via Google and pay Google only) and all the small business office tools they offer (though I think those…

Why do you need analytics for your personal website?

Do you have a car?

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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I've heard Google is working on a new cookie-less version of GA just like plausible and other privacy-focused GA alternatives. Wondering if this cookie-less GA would still come under the ban.

It almost certainly would. This isn't about cookies, this is about sending PII (which IP's are) to GA. I have a hard time imagining some safeguards that'll allow you to use GA, without ever hitting a GA server.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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I really hope this will have consequences that shake up ad tech, but the cynic in me says: They're just going to add another disclaimer in their cookie banner and exactly nothing will happen.

The problem is that most people just dont read cookie banners and just click "Accept all"

The real problem is that ignorant people drag the rest of us with them into the abyss.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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Libertarianism is so silly. "My freedom to live would be best served if there weren't politicians micromanaging other people's right to murder me". It's like a parody.

Libertarianism is definitely against murder. And quite a few libertarians believe that the FDA and EPA do too much to protect corporations from lawsuits, basically, if it meets their guidelines doesn't matter if it kills you, the company is protected. Absurd reductionism isn't helpful.

Might I add, realistic libertarians do what you're saying

But there are extreme factions of libertarians who really question things like "Do mothers really have a duty to take care of their children?" or think that private tribunals would work in practice.

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