Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

tutanota.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

151–160 of 237 posts

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

#151

Post by throwawayvibes »

kube-system wrote: post #145
throwawayvibes wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came here to say this. People should read at least the Wikipedia summary for CLOUD act. It's classic US legislation, 'we don't care about borders when it suits us' style.

> It's classic US legislation, 'we don't care about borders when it suits us' style. GDPR is written the same way. i.e: https://gdpr.eu/article-3-requirements-of-handling-personal-...

Yes, but while the US generally wants to have their dick up your arse, GDPR makes sure your butt is protected by law.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

#152

Post by geewee »

The writing's been on the wall about this for a long time, and anyone following the space has seen this coming. I'm glad that we're starting to see some judgements now, so people have something to point to when arguing to not send PII to america.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

#153

Post by spaniard89277 »

synchrone wrote: post #120
whiteboardr wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are solid european alternatives?

https://www.onlyoffice.com/saas.aspx - very decent compatibility with Office and speed; is a European company; much of the functionality is open source.

They are using Google Analytics and Tag Manager.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

#154

Post by oaiey »

evancoop wrote: post #134

Seems to raise a couple profound questions: 1. Is there a credible alternative (comparable ease of access and implementation)? 2. Does the absence of such a tool hinder business operating efficiency? If the answer to #1 is no, then any assertions that Google is not operating as a monopoly in the space are undercut. If the answer is #2 is no, then there are quite a few BI/Analytics/Strategy personnel who might find th…

Well Microsoft just needs to found a company owned 51% by a European entity /shareholders and operated by Europeans. Like that, the cloud act cannot be enforced. MS licenses the Azure/Office/whatever to this company so it will grap the majority of revenue. They can make fancy auditing agreements making sure that this company never steals anything from them.

China is doing this model for years. Just with a different motive I guess.

They tried this also with Telekom Germany for the Azure cloud but stopped doing it

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

#155

Post by [deleted] »

evancoop wrote: post #134

Seems to raise a couple profound questions: 1. Is there a credible alternative (comparable ease of access and implementation)? 2. Does the absence of such a tool hinder business operating efficiency? If the answer to #1 is no, then any assertions that Google is not operating as a monopoly in the space are undercut. If the answer is #2 is no, then there are quite a few BI/Analytics/Strategy personnel who might find th…

[deleted]

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

#156

Post by suction »

jacquesm wrote: post #3
vegai_ wrote: post #2

The article seems to suggest that it's declared illegal in Austria. Does this somehow apply to the whole EU then?

Privacy law in the EU is harmonized.

Yes, but not automatically and immediately as far as I know.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

#157

Post by geewee »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #99
sschueller wrote: post #8

The CLOUD Act itself is the issue. Don't use MS Office 365 or any other US based service even if their servers are in Europe as they can not guarantee that your data is not accessible by the US. Amazon and Cloudflare are all great service but your data is under US jurisdiction.

Can’t this be solved by providing zero-knowledge encrypted services? Won’t work in all cases. But could work in some.

Technically maybe but in practice using zero-knowledge encrypted services if you want to calculate aggregates or do large-scale calculations isn't really technically feasible.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

#158

Post by blueflow »

whiteboardr wrote: post #54
sschueller wrote: post #8

The CLOUD Act itself is the issue. Don't use MS Office 365 or any other US based service even if their servers are in Europe as they can not guarantee that your data is not accessible by the US. Amazon and Cloudflare are all great service but your data is under US jurisdiction.

What are solid european alternatives?

The US-style "depending on cloud services for everything" is generally frowned upon in the companies i work with (germany). I see much self-hosting.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

#159

Post by foxfluff »

wongarsu wrote: post #114
iqanq wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They haven't shined in 25 years. We will just be forced to use inferior products.

Hetzner is the best hosting provider for dedicated servers (if you care about price). Gridscale is pretty good. The original Skype was a very solid product. Spotify still owns the digital music market.

Hetzner sucks if you care about support and not being arbitrarily blocked & banned without recourse or explanation.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

#160

Post by sanitycheck »

Maybe someone more knowledgable can provide some insight here? The problem seems to revolve around transmission of PII:

"Based on this data, Google was able to deduce who he or she was."

Presumably the PII didn't come from the data transmitted to GA by the site, more that GA was able to cross-reference the client ID from the cookie and determine the identity of the user.

So if one was to disable GA cookies and/or override the client ID being sent from one's own site, would that be a workaround?

Post reply on HN