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Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by Animats »

mdasen wrote: post #61
Animats wrote: post #13

How about blacklisting Gmail? They're a major source of spam.

The issue with blocking Gmail is that Gmail is a lot of people's only email. This list is a list of domains people use for addresses that definitively aren't their primary email address (since they are disposable/temporary/forwarding addresses). While Gmail might be a major source of SPAM, they're also the email service most people legitimately use. If you block dummy-address@my-email-relay.tld, someone might be anno…

While Gmail might be a major source of SPAM, they're also the email service most people legitimately use.

That was once true of Yahoo, Myspace, and even AOL.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by matt_heimer »

JshWright wrote: post #153
teakettle42 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

… which makes it the prospective subscriber’s problem, pushing nearly all risk onto them, and requiring them to trust that the service won’t spam them or sell their e-mail address.

What alternative do you suggest?

Emails don’t guarantee unique users. I’ve seen free tier signups that require a valid credit card or sms verification codes. It depends on the value of the free offering on whether or not putting signup barriers in place is worth it.

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Post by kingcharles »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #244
ravenstine wrote: post #106

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Yup. Sign up for a trial of something and suddenly you're getting 3 emails a day. --- "Ravenstine, kick your goals into overdrive now" "Check this feature out!" "We're the best, but don't take our word for it" "Your account is waiting for you" "This will be like money in your pocket" "Don't miss out on our webinar" "The gift that keeps on giving" "It's been a while..." "So this is goodbye, Ravenstine?" --- F--- YOU!…

Or even if you didn't sign up.. I get constant emails from sales people that must have farmed my LinkedIn or something, even though I have it pretty strictly protected. Often even having scheduled a call with me without my consent. Usually for solutions I have absolutely nothing to do with if they'd actually taken the time to look at my profile. Of course I mark them as spam and blacklist them. I often see followups…

I buy corporate contacts from farms and I think they get a lot of them from apps that force you to upload all your contacts as the price to use them. Your personal contact information is probably in dozens of your friends and colleague's phones.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by skinkestek »

asimops wrote: post #185
JshWright wrote: post #153

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What alternative do you suggest?

How do you know people use those emails to bypass payment?

I guess:

- multiple sign ups using different emails and similar name

- same ip address

- same data

etc.

Don't underestimate greed or laziness.

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Post by srg0 »

lategloriousgnu wrote: post #168
maronato wrote: post #90

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Disposable email domains aren't the issue here. Creating a disposable @gmail account to avoid paying is possible too. Don't use emails to assert user identity. Most companies use credit cards for that. Or make it so that creating another account from scratch is more of a hassle than paying. Better yet, offer free tiers.

You can only create a small number of gmail accounts, since ever account needs to be linked to a valid phone number. Google actively work to prevent using their platform in this way.

You can also pay $2.40 for a domain name for a year and have your own disposable email service.

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Post by asteroidbelt »

jeroenhd wrote: post #140

This seems perfectly fine. A list of disposable email domains should contain disposable email domains like Firefox Relay, iOS "Sign in with Apple", Fastmail's random e-mail generator and others. Weird that Apple's domains aren't on the list, though. Hell, Gmail and Outlook should be on the list as well, because creating email addresses there is so quick and easy they might as well be considered throwaway services. I'…

> Gmail .. should be on the list as well, because creating email addresses there is so quick and easy

GMail does antispasm. It’s easy to create a disposable gmail, but it is much harder (I supposed) to use that address for outgoing spam/fraud/etc.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by usr1106 »

NorwegianDude wrote: post #188
lategloriousgnu wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can only create a small number of gmail accounts, since ever account needs to be linked to a valid phone number. Google actively work to prevent using their platform in this way.

You actually don't need have to have a phone number to use Gmail. You can skip that step.

I don't think so. I have numerous old Google accounts with their passwords in my password manager. Not for gmail, but for Google Groups lists, Google+ and various other services that no longer exist. Whenever I log in (in an account container of course) I cannot continue without adding a phone number. Have not found a way to skip the step (well, have not tried for some months now, trying to avoid Google increasingly). None of the accounts has stored any data. I would understand that Google would block people from misusing them as free cloud storage.
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