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That's probably essentially what you'd expect with omicron, which is more effective at immune escape but appears less effective at causing serious illness (at least in vaccinated and previously infected people).
Short of a vaccine that prevents infection isn’t this the best case scenario?
One thing to note is that the effectiveness metric also includes the behavioral and populational differences. I'd personally really like to know what the metric would be if (hypothetically, just for analysis) the vaccine was a placebo. For example, if the people who get the vaccine are generally more able to work from home, then the metric would still be significantly above zero. Just for clarity, I believe that the…
I don't really get the example of being able to work from home, but I would expect differences are extremely regional/national. In some countries there's a formal labor law for doctors notes after X days that is known by all and which might mean your doctor checks and registers the case(?) in other places it is total discretion if a manager demands a note but rarely does in places that aren't shift work oriented.
In some countries (the US is an example); there's a social class aspect to vaccination; highly educated people are more likely to be vaccinated, and also more likely to work from home.
However, if this was a big factor you'd expect vaccines to appear dramatically less effective in near-universal-vaccination countries, like Portugal. That doesn't seem to be the case.
Figure it’s relevant to this thread - Eric Topol (very credentialed medical researcher) does a pretty good overview & summary on how the vaccines are doing. https://erictopol.substack.com/p/were-very-lucky
If there were enough vaccines for everyone around the world to get the protection equivalent of 3-shots, and people took them, the pandemic would be over now This is a very bizarre assertion. Given that, the vaccinated spread covid, even with no symptoms, vaccination status does not limit spread. No amount of vaccinated people, will end the pandemic. Note that, to spread covid, it must be replicating in the body. The…
Even quite a small hole in vaccination may be a problem, though; very highly vaccinated countries like Ireland are seeing ICU pressure primarily from the 5% or so of unvaccinated adults.
To enjoy an interesting and arguably also somewhat more accurate experience reading articles such as these, try mentally replacing the term "vaccine breakthrough" with "vaccine failure". Going to hospital is not protection.
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You should probably take Viral 101 over again. Vaccines definitely reduce transmission This is a third order effect, not first. They do not reduce transmission, instead they increase immune response, thus reducing replication, thus reducing transmission. This is a vital point here. Second, please take care. At no point did I ever say "vaccines don't reduce transmission". That is a general statement, mine was specific…
> This is a third order effect, not first. They do not reduce transmission, instead they increase immune response, thus reducing replication, thus reducing transmission. That's literally what is meant by "vaccines reduce transmission". Vaccines are not some nanobots that form a forcefield around your body preventing viruses from getting to you.
The cause is vitally important, when you are abridging my statements, skipping cause, and attempting to make point by debating effect only.
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The vast majority of cases don't end up in the hospital, vaccinated or otherwise. People seem to forget this fact.
The “only 1% will die” argument, sure I remember that one from early days. But hospitals are currently overwhelmed with mostly voluntarily unvaccinated people. My advice is don’t break your arm or get in a car accident or have a heart attack right now - it could be lethal because health care resources are at a breaking point (in the US).
lacking nurses because they were already sparsely hired in efforts to maximize profits over patient comfort pre-pandemic,
of those that were working the field; many have left their job to make 5 times more money as a traveling nurse elsewhere (?) - many have left the job because they find it too stressful for the benefits it offers them - and many are out sick.
Does anyone think that hospitals are going to raise what they pay nurses now? are we going to invest in nursing in ways that gets lots more to choose it as a career path because X and Y things are going to be so much greater for them in the future?
I'm not holding my breathe that hospitals are going to change the pay rate for the most missed resource, or that they will hire twice as many as they've had in the past.. and that the future of nursing is going to be any better - so we better hope that treatment pills become a thing.
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I agree. However I am fed up with the cdc, youtube, facebook and others trying to control the narrative in any way they can. For instance not considering past infection as equal to a vaccination. Follow the science or don’t but do whatever truthfully. The next time when the cdc needs us to have faith in their recommendations we won’t have. This shouldn’t even be fathomable but here we are.
> For instance not considering past infection as equal to a vaccination The CDC has published data on this multiple times... Vaccination seems to be more protective than a past infection. A past infection is approximately equal to a single dose of a two-dose vaccine. e.g. CDC MMWR August 2021, https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm "These findings suggest that among persons with previous SARS-CoV-2 infec…
The CDC issued a false press release misrepresenting the conclusions of this study, at https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr...
That's the sort of thing that destroys the CDC's credibility.
I wonder how under-reported mild breakthrough cases are, due to self testing? I'm fully vaccinated and boosted, and I had what I suspect is Omicron about 10 days ago. I had a mild fever (approaching, but not reaching 101), a sore throat, sneezing and nasal congestion for 3-4 days, and I tested positive with an over the counter rapid test. Overall, it was like a very minor cold. My girlfriend also tested positive, and…
Here's a piece of data I've been following, for Santa Clara County: https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboard-case-rates-vaccination-... The number --- 871 cases per day per 100,000 unvax'd, for the week preceding 1/10-- is an amazing rate (7 day average). It tells us that 6.1% of the unvaxxed population became a case during a 1 week period. This doesn't count people who were infected and did not test or did not test in a…
The sources section says:
> Sources: California Reportable Disease Information Exchange; California Department of Public Health, California Immunization Registry; the U.S. Census Bureau, 2015-2019 American Community Survey 5-Year Estimates.
So the the numerator (number of cases) from the reportable disease database and/or department of health data (which probably includes vaccination status, or alternatively is matched against the registry). The denominator for the rate amongst the total population is the population estimate from the census bureau. The denominator for the rate amongst vaccinated comes from the immunization registry.
The rate against the unvaccinated? There is no count of them, so instead you subtract the number vaccinated from the population. The problem is that both of those are estimates, and as they get closer the error on that denominator goes through the roof. So the rate amongst the unvaccinated becomes meaningless.
As an example, take a hypothetical place with around 100 people. Might actually be anywhere from 98–102, that is ±2%. If you've got a very high vaccination rate (yeah!), say there are 96 people on the immunization registry. You could have anywhere from 2 to 6 people unvaccinated. You'd report 4, but the error is now ±50%, which is huge. And when you use that as the denominator, you get very different answers. (OTOH, of half the village was unvaccinated, 50±4% is a much smaller error!)
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I just got the booster, because it makes the life easier. For example: To go to fitness studio or restaurants. Either you are double vaxed + 24 hours test or you are double vaxed + boosted, then you don't need a test. So I boosted. 3 shots biontech/pfizer. Now I'm positive. If I wanted, I could still go to fitness studio and restaurant, even being positive, which really doesn't make sense to me.
Firstly you have succumbed to coercion by getting vaccinated to resuming your normal previous life activities. After 6 months you'll need another booster to continue having a valid pass. It's a never-ending cycle now. Secondly you have realised first hand that vaccines passes give a false of sense of security.
I got Covid Original Flavour(tm) before vaccines. I got "lucky"--high fever for a little over 2 weeks, swelling in places that I never knew could swell, and my stamina shot to shit. It's taken me a year to put myself back together.
I went and got both vaccines and a booster, thanks.
I have a relative by marriage who is an anti-vaxxer and is about the same age and about the same healthiness as I was. He got Covid. He played Russian Roulette and lost. He's currently on ECMO and would be DEAD if he hadn't lucked into getting the last ECMO bed for 400 miles. And, when all is said and done, it's going to take probably years of therapy for him to be even a shadow of his former self.
And now we're starting to see that Covid increases the chances of Type-2 diabetes in children. So, the whole "Vaccines have more side-effects in children than Covid" (which was never actually true anyway) now has enough cases opposing it that we have medically valid data.
You can persist in anti-vax as a shibboleth for whatever social group you're in. However, nothing factual was ever on your side, and the evidence continues to mount against you.
The only "good" thing about Omicron is that it is so contagious that it will solve the anti-vax problem by itself. In 60 days, there will be no point in restrictions, anymore.
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Firstly you have succumbed to coercion by getting vaccinated to resuming your normal previous life activities. After 6 months you'll need another booster to continue having a valid pass. It's a never-ending cycle now. Secondly you have realised first hand that vaccines passes give a false of sense of security.
I got vaccinated because I don't want to play Russian roulette again. I got Covid Original Flavour(tm) before vaccines. I got "lucky"--high fever for a little over 2 weeks, swelling in places that I never knew could swell, and my stamina shot to shit. It's taken me a year to put myself back together. I went and got both vaccines and a booster, thanks. I have a relative by marriage who is an anti-vaxxer and is about t…
How many other people do you know who that didn't happen to? Remember, everyone who got it in 2020 was unvaccinated. And if we're to accept this anecdote, then we also need to accept all of the anecdotes about the vaccine harming people.
> And now we're starting to see that Covid increases the chances of Type-2 diabetes in children.
Really? Last time I heard about that, it was because someone forgot to control for weight or BMI, and doing so made the whole effect disappear.