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Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by wand3r »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #7
pizza234 wrote: post #6

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The article starts with a statistic (as opposed to anecdote): > These findings demonstrate that such cases and hospitalizations have occurred in New York State, but at levels substantially lower than among unvaccinated people Of course, one could argue that New York State doesn't make a large scale statistic, but it's still far from being anecdata.

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Can you post one of these articles?

What is the contention, people who are vaccinated are more likely to get omicron?

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by rsynnott »

awb wrote: post #5

Interesting that while the odds of the vaccine protecting against infection are near all-time lows (mid 70s), vaccine protection against hospitalization is near all-time highs (mid-90s). Also interesting that this data treats 14-days+ after last shot as fully vaccinated, so presumably two-shot and three-shot people are both treated as “fully vaccinated”. > Fully-vaccinated people may have received additional or boost…

That's probably essentially what you'd expect with omicron, which is more effective at immune escape but appears less effective at causing serious illness (at least in vaccinated and previously infected people).

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by wand3r »

Does anyone have data on boosted death rate?

It is really hard to find stats. “Vaccinated” is such a difficult term because it can encompass J&J from nearly a year ago for example. I see some breakdowns by vax supplier vs hospitalizations.

Really would like to know how many people who have taken the booster have died from covid ideally with age data.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by encryptluks2 »

mhh__ wrote: post #10
encryptluks2 wrote: post #7

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Which studies?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsandletters/coronavirus...

"those who have received three doses of a vaccine and test positive for COVID-19 are more likely to be infected with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared with those who are unvaccinated"

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by webscalist »

- Population is considered fixed (or growing very slowly)

- More people get vaccinated: A

- Less people remain unvaccinated: A' (=1-A)

- More people get infected: B

B/A' will of course grow more rapidly than B/A

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by Scene_Cast2 »

One thing to note is that the effectiveness metric also includes the behavioral and populational differences.

I'd personally really like to know what the metric would be if (hypothetically, just for analysis) the vaccine was a placebo. For example, if the people who get the vaccine are generally more able to work from home, then the metric would still be significantly above zero.

Just for clarity, I believe that the vaccine is effective, but I question the measurement methodology.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by roamerz »

drewg123 wrote: post #9

I wonder how under-reported mild breakthrough cases are, due to self testing? I'm fully vaccinated and boosted, and I had what I suspect is Omicron about 10 days ago. I had a mild fever (approaching, but not reaching 101), a sore throat, sneezing and nasal congestion for 3-4 days, and I tested positive with an over the counter rapid test. Overall, it was like a very minor cold. My girlfriend also tested positive, and…

Probably a statistic that they don’t want have in their possession anyhow.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by SoylentOrange »

drewg123 wrote: post #9

I wonder how under-reported mild breakthrough cases are, due to self testing? I'm fully vaccinated and boosted, and I had what I suspect is Omicron about 10 days ago. I had a mild fever (approaching, but not reaching 101), a sore throat, sneezing and nasal congestion for 3-4 days, and I tested positive with an over the counter rapid test. Overall, it was like a very minor cold. My girlfriend also tested positive, and…

Here in Ontario Canada, the official government guidance is to not get tested if you have a mild case, due to a province-wide shortage of PCR tests [1]. Several friends have likely contracted COVID in the past 2 weeks (38-39 degree fever for 2-4 days with some coughing). Nothing serious enough to go to the hospital, but enough to take some time off work. All their cases are also unreported.

[1]: https://globalnews.ca/news/8480752/ontario-covid-pcr-testing...

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by sschueller »

tylersmith wrote: post #8
sschueller wrote: post #4

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I don't know where you are located but here in Switzerland I would definitely want the positive PCR test as proof. Although it may no longer be needed as it looks like this will be over soon the confirmation of an infection is treated here almost like a vaccination. So you will get a certificate extension etc. The isolation time here has been reduced to 5 days with minimum 2 days symptom free.

Here in the US there is no upside to having proof of infection. It doesn't relieve you of needing vaccination or false tests in any situation. Edit: not false tests; true negative tests.

That doesn't make much sense when looking at hospital data. The previously infected have the lowest hospital administrations vs even the vaccinated.

If you are double vaxed and get infected it make zero sense to also get a booster unless you have an immune system issue.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by encryptluks2 »

wand3r wrote: post #11
encryptluks2 wrote: post #7

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Can you post one of these articles? What is the contention, people who are vaccinated are more likely to get omicron?

Here is the Pfizer-CEO board member approved truth ministry version:

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-omicronvariant-bre...

Basically, statistics only matter when it shows what they want you to see, but when it says that triple vaxxed are 8% more likely to get Omicron than unvaxxed then you are drawing conclusions.

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