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Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by ipaddr »

createmyaccount wrote: post #22
AequitasOmnibus wrote: post #10

The reason disposable email addresses exist and are popular is because services have abused users' trust to not use these emails for shady ad revenue and marketing schemes. It's further compounded by shoddy security that leads to leaks and exposure of people's personal email addresses to pwned compromised lists. People don't want to give up their personal email addresses so that they can be spammed or hacked. Until s…

I’m the founder of a small bootstrapped SAAS and people use disposable email addresses all the time to avoid paying for our product. We don’t sell any data.

How do they avoid payment? Do you have a trial period and people are signing up with different emails?

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by uallo »

createmyaccount wrote: post #22
AequitasOmnibus wrote: post #10

The reason disposable email addresses exist and are popular is because services have abused users' trust to not use these emails for shady ad revenue and marketing schemes. It's further compounded by shoddy security that leads to leaks and exposure of people's personal email addresses to pwned compromised lists. People don't want to give up their personal email addresses so that they can be spammed or hacked. Until s…

I’m the founder of a small bootstrapped SAAS and people use disposable email addresses all the time to avoid paying for our product. We don’t sell any data.

Recently, I wanted to try a web service but they did not let me register with a disposable email address. Well, I guess I will not try the service then.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by KMnO4 »

bmarquez wrote: post #12
Seattle3503 wrote: post #3

I've started using my own domain to avoid giving out my "real" addresseverywhere. It doesn't always work, but it usually does.

I used to do that, but then considered I might be leaking out more inferred info by doing that. Such as WHOIS info (if not cloaked), or an algorithm may assume I'm a business and charge me higher prices, etc. I used to get marketing spam from Dropbox saying that many of my coworkers enjoy using it and to upgrade -- but I was the only user on that domain name.

> WHOIS info (if not cloaked)

I wouldn’t consider this a legitimate concern. Whois privacy is common and often free for nearly all registrars (barring TLDs which disallow this)

> May assume I’m a business

I really doubt this happens frequently, at least far more infrequently than a business using your permanent email for spam. Besides, if the algorithm decides that any non-gmail/outlook/yahoo/etc mail is “business”, then they’re going to assume that about any disposable email.

Personally, I find the $4/year I spend on a domain name to be incredibly worth it and the downsides are far fewer than the upsides.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by [deleted] »

teakettle42 wrote: post #34
nojito wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>From the prospective subscriber’s perspective, that’s your problem to worry about — not theirs. exactly...which is why there are blacklists like the one linked in the OP.

… which makes it the prospective subscriber’s problem, pushing nearly all risk onto them, and requiring them to trust that the service won’t spam them or sell their e-mail address.

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Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by avnigo »

AequitasOmnibus wrote: post #10

The reason disposable email addresses exist and are popular is because services have abused users' trust to not use these emails for shady ad revenue and marketing schemes. It's further compounded by shoddy security that leads to leaks and exposure of people's personal email addresses to pwned compromised lists. People don't want to give up their personal email addresses so that they can be spammed or hacked. Until s…

It’s also a privacy concern. A single email address ties your identity across platforms, which may be convenient, but could potentially be abused.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by KMnO4 »

scoot wrote: post #17

I use 33mail.com which forwards (and can block) wildcard email addresses. There’s a free tier, but with paid you can option use your own domain.

Thanks for the info! I’ve used 33mail in the past but had no idea I could use it with my domain. And at $1/month that’s pretty good value.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by gnomewascool »

EGreg wrote: post #40
noja wrote: post #4

Is iCloud's "Hide My E-mail" on the list too?

I think as long as it's just INCOMING email, what's the harm in it?

Isn't Firefox Relay the same, though — you can receive e-mails, but not send unsolicited mail?

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by Karunamon »

teakettle42 wrote: post #26
createmyaccount wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m the founder of a small bootstrapped SAAS and people use disposable email addresses all the time to avoid paying for our product. We don’t sell any data.

> people use disposable email addresses all the time to avoid paying for our product. From the prospective subscriber’s perspective, that’s your problem to worry about — not theirs. > We don’t sell any data. How should users know that? It’s also not just a matter of selling data — almost all companies will spam your email address, even if you check the box asking them not to.

>almost all companies will spam your email address, even if you check the box asking them not to.

I find this very hard to believe. "Spam" has a specific definition; the most important bit of which is that it is unsolicited. Mails landing in your inbox that you'd rather not get, but which are not unsolicited (say, by you signing up for an account and confirming your address), are not spam by definition.

"Almost all companies" would find themselves unable to send email in short order if what they were delivering was spam.

Definitions are important. Let's not misuse them.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by AnonC »

johnklos wrote: post #29
Animats wrote: post #13

How about blacklisting Gmail? They're a major source of spam.

This is not outside of the realm of possible. Google does nothing to stop spammers, makes up their own non-public rules and doesn't communicate with the Internet community, so Gmail addresses are already on shaky grounds. For instance, for starters, go search through all of your email for any email sent from Google servers where the "Reply to:" doesn't match the "Mail from:", and tell me if there are any legitimate i…

> johnklos 8 minutes ago | parent | next [–]

This is not outside of the realm of possible. Google does nothing to stop spammers, makes up their own non-public rules and doesn't communicate with the Internet community, so Gmail addresses are already on shaky grounds. For instance, for starters, go search through all of your email for any email sent from Google servers where the "Reply to:" doesn't match the "Mail from:", and tell me if there are any legitimate instances.

Why is this scenario a red flag in all instances? Mailing lists, including Google Groups, may have settings that set the Reply To to be different from the Mail From.

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