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Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

#22

The reason disposable email addresses exist and are popular is because services have abused users' trust to not use these emails for shady ad revenue and marketing schemes. It's further compounded by shoddy security that leads to leaks and exposure of people's personal email addresses to pwned compromised lists. People don't want to give up their personal email addresses so that they can be spammed or hacked. Until s…

I’m the founder of a small bootstrapped SAAS and people use disposable email addresses all the time to avoid paying for our product. We don’t sell any data.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

#23
post #18

Cloudflare should offer disposable addresses on your own domain. One click enablement. Why not.

Cloudflare does have an email routing service:

https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-email-routing/

However, disposable email addresses on a domain that you personally own can still be profiled by the domain name. Services like Firefox Relay try to preserve anonymity by sharing the domain name(s) among all users, the same way VPNs share IP addresses among their users.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

#26

The reason disposable email addresses exist and are popular is because services have abused users' trust to not use these emails for shady ad revenue and marketing schemes. It's further compounded by shoddy security that leads to leaks and exposure of people's personal email addresses to pwned compromised lists. People don't want to give up their personal email addresses so that they can be spammed or hacked. Until s…

I’m the founder of a small bootstrapped SAAS and people use disposable email addresses all the time to avoid paying for our product. We don’t sell any data.

> people use disposable email addresses all the time to avoid paying for our product.

From the prospective subscriber’s perspective, that’s your problem to worry about — not theirs.

> We don’t sell any data.

How should users know that? It’s also not just a matter of selling data — almost all companies will spam your email address, even if you check the box asking them not to.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

#27
post #11

From a service provider's point of view [1], a big portion of "users" with disposable email domains have intention to do bad things, e.g., spamming, aggressively scraping contents... It's not easy to distinguish users-who-want-to-try-out-then-never come-back from users-who-want-to-do-bad-things-to-your-service. Typically, online service provider may have empathy towards users with whatever emails, including disposabl…

> From a service provider's point of view [1], a big portion of "users" with disposable email domains have intention to do bad things, e.g., spamming

From a service user’s point of view, a big portion of “services” that demand their real email address have intention to do bad things, e.g. spamming

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m the founder of a small bootstrapped SAAS and people use disposable email addresses all the time to avoid paying for our product. We don’t sell any data.

> people use disposable email addresses all the time to avoid paying for our product. From the prospective subscriber’s perspective, that’s your problem to worry about — not theirs. > We don’t sell any data. How should users know that? It’s also not just a matter of selling data — almost all companies will spam your email address, even if you check the box asking them not to.

>From the prospective subscriber’s perspective, that’s your problem to worry about — not theirs.

exactly...which is why there are blacklists like the one linked in the OP.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

#29
post #13

How about blacklisting Gmail? They're a major source of spam.

This is not outside of the realm of possible. Google does nothing to stop spammers, makes up their own non-public rules and doesn't communicate with the Internet community, so Gmail addresses are already on shaky grounds.

For instance, for starters, go search through all of your email for any email sent from Google servers where the "Reply to:" doesn't match the "Mail from:", and tell me if there are any legitimate instances. We could all benefit by starting to reject all Google sourced email with a different "Reply to:".

What we really need is a blocklist / allowlist system which tracks the millions of Gmail email addresses. Has it never been seen before? Reject it with a message telling them to go sign up for the allowlist. Has it been around for a while? Allow it.

Google can't be asked to keep their own spam in check. We have to force it on them.

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