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Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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Re: Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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Healthy competition is the best motivator. Challenging each other does work but both parties have to give a shit. Another great motivator is being told you will never be able to do something, which gives fuel to the motivation in the form of spite.

> Another great motivator is being told you will never be able to do something, which gives fuel to the motivation in the form of spite. Very American of you. :P For people already struggling this only adds depression to the bigger depressive pile, FYI. Perspectives, we all need them. People can be beaten down to a level where every single adversity is putting them back to bed, unwilling to get out for the next day o…

Sure, but they have bigger problems and hopefully are seeking professional help not thinking about advanced productivity techniques like this thread is about.

For most people this is a perfectly fine point. This trend of "but wait this won't work for this particular group" in online conversation isn't useful.

This obviously wasn't directed at heavily depressed people or people struggling it was directed at otherwise normally functioning people trying to have an edge.

Re: Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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Does anyone know a site that collects failure stories? Would be nice to check it out.

Yes, here: https://www.failory.com/interviews?type-of-interview=Failed%...

Wow. This is so useful. I'm always left a bit speechless when I come across something really useful like this. It should be a first stop for all would be entrepreneurs. Thanks.

Re: Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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Absolutely, I've had friends with limited business or tech background pump hard-earned savings into crazy tech startup ideas, precisely because they've read too many of these success stories. I've been guilty of not trying to talk sense to some of them, so much so that there's one particular marriage break-up related to a stupid tech start up blowing a couples life savings that still haunts me. And for the record, he…

Yep.... Bootstrapping is for fools. Virtually no founders out there are pouring their personal savings into their company. The issues with bootstrapping: 1) No one to tell you to give up except your own survival instinct. 2) You've already told yourself to ignore that survival instinct because of the success stories you've heard. 3) Even if your idea is fantastic, there is another group of folks out there who have ra…

We've been bootstrapping our weird tech/bio/techbio startup for the last four years... it's NOT EASY at all, but we've made it to the point that we're ramen profitable (For now) and it's kind of an amazing feeling.

Of course I'm making like 1/5 I would at a tech company, but we're literally saving people's lives, and that really makes up for not making as much.

Re: Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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I had a dumb idea about this a while ago - to do a massive completion for coin flipping. Get thousands of entries. Each ‘match’ just involves the two people flipping coins to decide the winner. You make a documentary about it where you ask everyone about their tactics and strategy. Someone has to win all their matches. They will have developed some ‘tactics’ that they probably strongly believe in. Of course we know i…

It's actually even worse than that though in real life, since (to continue the analogy) winning the first few rounds makes it easier to win subsequent rounds.

Re: Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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Imagine if (apologies for the metaphor) each and every sperm cell knew the odds of fertilizing an egg and had a choice whether to pursue that goal or not. I think that in that case no egg would ever be fertilized, right? I think success is 99% dumb luck. I think everything in life is 99% dumb luck. The fact that each and every one of us exists is dumb luck. But if we resign to that belief, nobody will ever do anythin…

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Re: Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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Even the simple act of trying will improve your odds of success. Some basic strategies: 1. stay in school 2. don't do drugs 3. don't do crimes If you want to be a pro basketball player, your odds will improve if you practice playing basketball. Want to be a guitar god? Get a guitar and start practicing. Every guitar god I've heard of have one thing in common - they played a lot , for many many years, before breaking…

> Some basic strategies: > 1. stay in school > 2. don't do drugs > 3. don't do crimes You forgot: 4. be born to rich parents That probably has a greater influence on chances of success than most others.

Actually location is the most important indicative of success in life. So if you were born in the USA you already won such a lottery that it completely dwarfs the rest of influences on your chances of success.

As to rich parents - that can't be an important indicator, just by considering how many more rich people are in the current generation compared to the previous one: who helped them?!

Re: Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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Doing what successful people do increases your odds of success. It doesn't guarantee anything. Doing what losers do decreases your odds of success. > they should not be your guide of how to become successful yourself. Of course they should be.

Can you explain a little bit more? What odds? What part of that successful people do? What do you mean by loser?

Well it seems that most people do end up the average of their friends.

Re: Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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Even the simple act of trying will improve your odds of success. Some basic strategies: 1. stay in school 2. don't do drugs 3. don't do crimes If you want to be a pro basketball player, your odds will improve if you practice playing basketball. Want to be a guitar god? Get a guitar and start practicing. Every guitar god I've heard of have one thing in common - they played a lot , for many many years, before breaking…

Many guitar gods use drugs, Walt Disney and Bill Gates did not stay in school, and people like Mike Tyson and Kevin Mitnick were successful after comitting crimes. There's just too many variables in life that make success more about luck than following general guidelines.

Focus on the common traits not a few outliers. Also some people had success despite certain behaviours they engaged in, or started those after reaching success.
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