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Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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Re: Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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From my personal experience I would say we have this bias not only when it comes to success stories. One person has done something good or bad. Then all people who are in that specific group must be like this. Think of Politicians. One does something bad they are all bad. One bicycle driver is riding like crazy so lets ban all of them. I had some bad Asian food so Asian food in general must be bad. Country X had a sh…

Doing what successful people do increases your odds of success. It doesn't guarantee anything. Doing what losers do decreases your odds of success. > they should not be your guide of how to become successful yourself. Of course they should be.

Can you explain a little bit more?

What odds?

What part of that successful people do?

What do you mean by loser?

Re: Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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Nobody writes it, but it's okay to have average job, with average life and average family as long as you can enjoy your life! Why burden yourself with idea of success and setting expectations. At this point I am sure life doesn't give anything unless you look for it. And even if you seek, there is no guarantee. So I think it's waste of energy. My experience so far. I am really glad that I learned how stability is nec…

It's exactly this, i've been thinking about this a lot lately.

I mean who is 'anybody' anyway. People talk about legacy, but I think it's just ego. They don't want to accept they will be one day gone and nobody cares, so they want to build something they think will extend there life beyond that.

But does it really matter anyway? Even the most successful of the successful, does it really matter? What about the person with the statue in the city centre? Does anyone really care? It might be a good looking statue but people generally don't care about that person, they didn't know them etc and this is all that they have become. That person is long gone and knows nothing of there 'legacy'

In the scale of the universe, you and Steve Jobs are of no real difference.

It reminds me of the starfish story, there was a young boy on the beach throwing washed up starfish back into the water, an older man approaches the boy and says 'look at all the starfish on the beach, you won't be able to make any difference, what is the point?' the young boy looks back at the man, throws the next one back and says 'Made all the difference to that one?'

In the scale of the whole universe who cares about you? In the scale of the earth who cares about you? In the scale of your country who cares about you? In the scale of your city who cares about you? In your street, who cares about you? But to the people you directly know and interact with? Who cares about the universe.

Your world is your own. Being 'average' is not really average. You can count and matter extremely by being 'average' to the people around you, rather than trying to be successful and effect things further outside of that, indeed really the only people you will truly matter to are those people, everyone else would just get an illusion of you anyway.

Despite all the messed up things about the world, perhaps of greatest comfort is the things that can make us truly happy are open to most, it's just the things that we think will that have lower availability.

Re: Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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Survivor bias is a thing. It reminds me of all the stories of the young college drop out with the successful company… that’s been funded by their rich parents.

This is definitely a thing. Nowadays, the only thing I care about when considering to join a startup is "Does this founder have a rich daddy?"

Re: Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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post #19

From my personal experience I would say we have this bias not only when it comes to success stories. One person has done something good or bad. Then all people who are in that specific group must be like this. Think of Politicians. One does something bad they are all bad. One bicycle driver is riding like crazy so lets ban all of them. I had some bad Asian food so Asian food in general must be bad. Country X had a sh…

Yes. I'm starting to see this for myself and now i'm basically decided to ignore a lot of advice after consuming a lot of it. Instead just to have a few goals and spend time in reflection to decide if they are still what I want and how that is working for me, what I need to do to get closer to them etc and let that decide the best routines. So many things I hear that are apparently the answer to everything just doesn…

Don't start with all these productivity systems...

I tried them all.

Keeping a second brain for me was just waste of time and being busy with writing stuff down. A quick google search was most often faster.

Journaling after a full journal did not give me anything in return. Just a journal full of crap.

Planing my whole week in a calendar when to do what... Good luck with a child doing that. Specially if you don't have the money for a nanny of sorts. A 5 months old baby gives a shit about your plans.

The only thing that really helped for me when I wanted to write a blog post every week was to do with a friend together and beetling money on who loses will pay a good meal.

Re: Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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Doing what successful people do increases your odds of success. It doesn't guarantee anything. Doing what losers do decreases your odds of success. > they should not be your guide of how to become successful yourself. Of course they should be.

Can you explain a little bit more? What odds? What part of that successful people do? What do you mean by loser?

Even the simple act of trying will improve your odds of success. Some basic strategies:

1. stay in school

2. don't do drugs

3. don't do crimes

If you want to be a pro basketball player, your odds will improve if you practice playing basketball. Want to be a guitar god? Get a guitar and start practicing. Every guitar god I've heard of have one thing in common - they played a lot, for many many years, before breaking through.

Doing nothing pretty much guarantees you won't get what you want.

This isn't rocket science.

> What do you mean by loser?

Doesn't matter what my personal definition is. I bet you have your own personal definition of a loser. You'll increase your odds of becoming one by doing what they do.

Re: Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doing what successful people do increases your odds of success. It doesn't guarantee anything. Doing what losers do decreases your odds of success. > they should not be your guide of how to become successful yourself. Of course they should be.

Can you explain a little bit more? What odds? What part of that successful people do? What do you mean by loser?

>What part of that successful people do?

1. they are rarely stupid

2. they often sleep a lot less

3. they more often than not are hyperthymiacs (related to #2).

4. they produce unlimited amounts of self-generated morale (related to #3).

5. they are stress tolerant (related to #4)

6. they are healthier in general (related to all of the above)

I don't know very many successful people with numerous chronic health conditions that impair their cognition to the point of debility, who are asleep 16 hours a day, constantly depressed and demotivated and break down at the first sight of adversity.

Do you?

Re: Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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IBM went to talk to Gary Kildall (CP/M) first.

> IBM went to talk to Gary Kildall (CP/M) first. Yeah, and that makes sense. You need an OS you talk to the guy who has an OS first. What's not mentioned in any success story about MS is how they got to start talking with IBM in the first place after the negotiations for CP/M failed. It's not like they had an OS product. Anyway, networking is essential to doing business, we all agree on it. What I'm saying is the "su…

> It's not like they had an OS product.

Gates had a plan to get one, though.

> networking

Want to improve your odds? Go to tech conferences. I met and talked with Gates at one in the 80s. Nothing came of it, but I didn't really try to engage him. I spent a half hour talking to Allen, too. He offered me a job. I turned it down.

My mom didn't open these doors. I did.

Re: Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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Yep.... Bootstrapping is for fools. Virtually no founders out there are pouring their personal savings into their company. The issues with bootstrapping: 1) No one to tell you to give up except your own survival instinct. 2) You've already told yourself to ignore that survival instinct because of the success stories you've heard. 3) Even if your idea is fantastic, there is another group of folks out there who have ra…

Virtually no founders out there are pouring their personal savings into their company. That definitely isn't true. Tens of thousands of companies are bootstrapped every year. Some go on to be quite successful (Github, GoPro, Apple...). You won't find all that many bootstrapped business founders posting on HN (it's run by an investment company...) but that doesn't mean they're not out there. Plus, due to the changing…

Aren’t all those examples “day X profitable” startups? As in startups that had a profitable business model from day 1 and it only took them some share of the market to become profitable after an initial loss (usually operational). GitHub was making money in their very first year.

Many startups these days follow the “never profitable” business model in the hopes of being bailed out by angel investors or IPO.

I’d say it’s definitely possible to bootstrap when your profit grows along with your business. Not possible when you burn money every single day forever.

Re: Do success stories cause false beliefs about success?

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Yep.... Bootstrapping is for fools. Virtually no founders out there are pouring their personal savings into their company. The issues with bootstrapping: 1) No one to tell you to give up except your own survival instinct. 2) You've already told yourself to ignore that survival instinct because of the success stories you've heard. 3) Even if your idea is fantastic, there is another group of folks out there who have ra…

Virtually no founders out there are pouring their personal savings into their company. That definitely isn't true. Tens of thousands of companies are bootstrapped every year. Some go on to be quite successful (Github, GoPro, Apple...). You won't find all that many bootstrapped business founders posting on HN (it's run by an investment company...) but that doesn't mean they're not out there. Plus, due to the changing…

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