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The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Not surprised. The Movie was an utter trash cash grab hollywood sellout "look how meta and cool I am" let's shit on the original. If you liked it I'd love to know why?

It wasn’t a good movie and it wasn’t supposed to be. I personally disliked it enough to turn it off early but I imagine there’s enough contrarians around that when told by Wachowski through the 4th wall that its a forced piece of art and is going to be garbage - they’ll like it specifically for that reason. Maybe they’ll even give it a positive review and good word of mouth to completely negate the director’s intenti…

Agreed.

At least the movie says it right up front with the dialogue between Neo and Smith, "This is a total sellout and nobody wants to do it but parent company wants some money."

The only thing missing was the two of them looking directly at the audience behind the fourth wall in awkward synchronized silence.

That said, Art that wishes itself never born is not art I care to watch.

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How do you find one that won’t get you into a huge costly mess with the irs?

I typically ask the CPA for supporting literature and case law if it exists And gravitate towards the things that have durable consensus or more easily rationalizable consensus But those kinds of requests during the first consultations make it pretty obvious if you want to work with them. If their whole business is just filing 1040-EZ’s for people with the standard deduction and collecting child tax credits, then the…

What do you look for as their specialty? Is there a size of firm that you look for? Any key terms that you zero in on that would indicate that they do this type of work? Also how do you actually find a these ? Seems like a Google search won’t exactly bring up the right caliber folks.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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The choreography in this movie was incredibly lazy.

Yeah. As confusing or bad the writing and dialogue in this movie got, that was never new to the franchise, the sequels had plenty of that. But what doomed this one was the lack of good action, some of it was truly bad. I understand that Lana is much older now and likely doesn't want to do the "hire a comic book artist to storyboard each scene in excruciating detail to make it perfect" ordeal anymore, the stars are mu…

The real reason is the original fight choreographer from HK cinema is missing.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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What kind of person would take something of their own and ruin it like that? Tons of people loved the matrix, just let it be.

Assuming the dialog can be believed: they either had to participate in the reboot, or let WB reboot it without them.

Ok, makes sense. Instead of WB making a horrible movie, Wachowski did it for them?

I’m not sure the Wachowski brand has improved after this.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

#295

Not surprised. The Movie was an utter trash cash grab hollywood sellout "look how meta and cool I am" let's shit on the original. If you liked it I'd love to know why?

tldr, Resurrections is to Matrix what Last Jedi was to Star Wars. You're either in or you're out on it. ---- I think people have fallen into two camps, and it depends how you saw the first film. I loved Matrix, not for the wire-fu, gunplay and special effects, but for all the subtext and "simulacra and simulation" of it all. It was film that very cleverly pulled together a lot concepts that had been done in 90s cinem…

I enjoyed the Matrix for the philosophical subtext. The gunplay and FX were just a great bonus and I still didn't enjoy Resurrections.

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when it was originally written, the most common estrogen pill on the market was red. short answer: the matrix is gender. but it also represents any social construct pretty generically, and that's why there's so much confusion. long answer: duck duck go matrix transgender. also, like, when a creator tells you their work means a thing, just take them at their word. they would know. you can criticize how well or how poo…

> also, like, when a creator tells you their work means a thing, just take them at their word. This is reductive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reader-response_criticism

explain

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Hot take: I was a huge fan of the original matrix trilogy and the animatrix, and while it wasn't what I expected, I enjoyed the film. In the late 90s, we had this whole thing of the corporate drone. That's sort of dead now. Instead we have millennials and zoomers with their spunk and crippling anxiety and standups and fair trade and breaking of fourth walls, and meta, etc, etc. It just feels like the original trilogy…

Since the 90s the concept of the corporate drone has only increased. Swap out Neo in a cubicle for Amazon warehouse worker, and you've got "the Matrix is keeping you on a tighter leash now". I find it very odd that people swear the themes wouldn't work today.

I'm not saying things aren't worse, I'm saying they are worse in a different way. The suit wearing corporate drone software developer in a cubicle isn't a thing anymore. Now it's a t-shirt wearing bearded fair-trade coffee lover attending daily standups, writing articles on medium, and inventing yet another frontend javascript framework in their free time.

The corporate drone thing was specifically a reference to what life was like _for software developers_ in the late 90s. This looks a lot different now than it did then. For the average person, sure, your quip about amazon workers is quite apt. My point though is now we have all the same issues, but with a fake sort of "culture" icing pasted on top that makes a lot of things seem substantiative, real, and anti-corporate, when they in fact are not. Things are much subtler now. It also shows a lot of what we've lost -- "hacker" culture used to be integral to being a developer, hence Neo's "double life" as a software developer and a hacker.

These days people barely even pirate things anymore. There has been a mass acceptance of the status quo that is pervasive, dangerous, and wasn't present in the previous era. So while people wore suits back in the day, back in the day was also the wild west of tech. That has largely ended.

Another way of looking at it: in the 90s and early 00s, there was lots of sub-culture and counter-culture present, especially in the tech and "hacker" communities. These days, our corporate overlords have co-opted the term "hacker" and try to sound edgy and "counter-culture" by simply occupying the spaces legitimate counter-culture movements used to occupy (corporate sponsored hackathons, bug bounties, a lot of marketing stuff, etc). So this new matrix movie, for me, partially demonstrates the death of counter-culture, as it was in the late 90s and early 00s. These days you can be the equivalent of the old-school corporate drone by doing a bunch of seemingly edgy "counter-culture" things, and the corporations want it that way. They want you to feel edgy, while staying well within the parameters they designed.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Since the 90s the concept of the corporate drone has only increased. Swap out Neo in a cubicle for Amazon warehouse worker, and you've got "the Matrix is keeping you on a tighter leash now". I find it very odd that people swear the themes wouldn't work today.

The thing that wouldn’t work is to try to do something sincere instead of everything dripping in ever so hilarious irony. I honestly can’t wait for gen Z to do something different please. It’s been like 20 years since someone made art that was not ironic

Unfortunately Gen Z only deals in irony, more so than any generation. One of their central tenants is that nothing can be truly sincere. Maybe in another decade or two we'll see a generation that takes this to the next logical evolution -- "everything is sincere"

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Financial struggles… isn’t that what we’re talking about? It’s simply one in a long line of offerings from Hollywood that is not meeting viewer expectations. I see it as a cumulative effect. ... And my reasons are clear.

That's a pretty tenous connection imo. You might as well pick any arbitrary thing you think is declining, financially I guess, and point to wokeness or the CCP as the cause. Is there something specific you saw in the older movies that you think is missing because of that stuff, therefore the movie is bad and wokeness is responsible?

I claimed censorship is the cause followed by identifying the censoring parties.

I can imagine areas where censorship could lead to increased profitability. Just as I can imagine where it can lead to losses. The Film industry I put firmly in the losses category.

Due you think continued/increased censorship will be good/profitable for the film industry?

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What does this have to do with the movie? Even if I could imagine a scenario in which the argument would be relevant, I don't understand what you're specifically attacking here.

Something trans related maybe? Dunno. Woke movie making is super annoying but I didn't get any of that from the new Matrix. Maybe because all the characters were chosen in 1999 before CRT took off, maybe because it just wasn't necessary. As a kid Morpheus/Fishburne was perhaps the coolest black man I'd ever seen, the casting was perfect. The man managed to somehow carry off both radiating gravitas and also this almos…

> Woke movie making is super annoying but I didn't get any of that from the new Matrix.

New Neo is blue haired girl. New Trinity is tattooed girl. New Neo and New Trinity are not yet lovers (which appeases the CCP) but the final scene shows them embracing behind Old Neo/Trinity.

I don’t think I read that wrong and thought it was pretty obvious?

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