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The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by leereeves »

1123581321 wrote: post #244
Latty wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoting box office sales while ignoring the fact this was released simultaneously for streaming really doesn't tell the full story.

You can get a rough idea by using Netflix’ impact value figure, the formula of which isn’t public but appears to be about seven times the number who watched at least two minutes of the title in the first month. (This is based on the leaked documents about Squid Game’s performance, and again, the real formula is surely more complicated. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/18/netflixs-squid-game-is-repor... ) Matrix was viewe…

What exactly is impact value? That article didn't explain it very well.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by dereg »

scoopdewoop wrote: post #170
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #54

Not surprised. The Movie was an utter trash cash grab hollywood sellout "look how meta and cool I am" let's shit on the original. If you liked it I'd love to know why?

In my opinion, the movie wasn't trying to shit on the original at all. The Matrix has, since the beginning, been a really sentimental, romantic story that wears its heart on its sleeve and really directly states its themes. Meanwhile, the series ballooned into a big franchise that ran its course, its about to get put through the reboot-industrial complex, and its themes get adulterated and co-opted all of the time. T…

I agree with you. I think it tried less to shit on the original movie than make you deeply question what you believed to be true about the original movie (and trilogy). On one hand, you could believe that this was all some cheap gimmick to boot. On the other hand, you could have deep faith that love is all that matters.

I believe that it's an achievement for the film to garner this much discussion. If anything, the film predicts it.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by dereg »

boxmonster wrote: post #218
npunt wrote: post #179

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Nothing wrong with taking away what you want from art, but uh.. you're exactly describing the 'blue pill' (the comforts of escapism), so there is some irony in that with regard to the Matrix in particular. That's one of the reasons the original was so smart; it worked on multiple levels, letting you have your cake (escapism/fantasy/action movie) and eat it too (the message that makes you think long after seeing it).

It ebbs and flows with what is happening. Escapist fantasies are popular when times are hard. I feel times are hard now. Philidelphia and Leaving Las Vegas are two of my favorite movies, but I saw them when times were pretty good. However, I would enjoy an interesting movie about social issues being debated these days, just not with a Matrix backdrop and theme.

I think this is on you. Take a break from the news and from the chatter. I too read Lily's trans explanation for the Matrix. Unlike you, I wasn't triggered by the film. I didn't even think about it too much and, when I did think about it, it wasn't anything negative.

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Post by [deleted] »

TrispusAttucks wrote: post #79
echelon wrote: post #43

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V for Vendetta is classic. Cloud Atlas is one of my favorite films of all time. It's incredibly divisive, but if you appreciate its deep symbolism and rich interwoven storytelling, it's beautiful. The wide dynamic range of genres it attempts to fit - romance, comedy, science fiction, murder mystery, spy thriller - is not only ambitious, but absolutely works to establish the symphony of it all. Resurrections surpasses…

You have great taste! V for Vendetta and Cloud Atlas are absolute masterpieces. Definitely Top 10.

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Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by native_samples »

brailsafe wrote: post #248
nominated1 wrote: post #246

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The reasons people seem to be dancing around is censorship. Woke ideology on one side and the CCP on the other. That’s an extremely narrow area to work in. I don’t see this movie as an outlier. TV and Film have been in trouble since BLM and now with China buying AMC, the prospects don’t look good. As as a (former) movie goer I’ve seen nothing but shit for the last 2 years. I now suspect shit is the new normal. I’m no…

What does this have to do with the movie? Even if I could imagine a scenario in which the argument would be relevant, I don't understand what you're specifically attacking here.

Something trans related maybe? Dunno. Woke movie making is super annoying but I didn't get any of that from the new Matrix. Maybe because all the characters were chosen in 1999 before CRT took off, maybe because it just wasn't necessary. As a kid Morpheus/Fishburne was perhaps the coolest black man I'd ever seen, the casting was perfect. The man managed to somehow carry off both radiating gravitas and also this almost child-like naivety and belief in Neo.

The new Morpheus was just nothing. What a waste. Really, the casting in the original was one of the things that made it. Agent Smith, the Architect, each of these actors looked and sounded like their character. The casting in the new Matrix was just all over the place. Never did care for Trinity though.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by poisonborz »

titzer wrote: post #61

I saw it twice. I honestly cannot tell if Lana Wachowski hates the Matrix or not. There was this meta montage of "oh we have to make a sequel to the Matrix because the suits wanted it, everybody pile on stupid crap", which was obviously a middle finger to...someone. I laughed out loud at how over the top that blatant F-U was...but given that the movie proceeded to then actually crap on every single thing that was awe…

This is my take. And when thinking about it, it's rather brilliant if so. It's still painful to watch, and a bad film in every sense, but the way this was financed and got greenlit seems somehow to be a masterful rug pull. It has metal robot pokemons, freeing Neo is completely unnecessary, the new human settlement doesn't need a thing and won't fight, the soap opera low-fi slow mo fight scenes, everything seems to point to a sort of purposeful sabotage.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by 1123581321 »

leereeves wrote: post #271
1123581321 wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get a rough idea by using Netflix’ impact value figure, the formula of which isn’t public but appears to be about seven times the number who watched at least two minutes of the title in the first month. (This is based on the leaked documents about Squid Game’s performance, and again, the real formula is surely more complicated. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/18/netflixs-squid-game-is-repor... ) Matrix was viewe…

What exactly is impact value? That article didn't explain it very well.

Impact value is an attempt to measure the title’s contribution to streaming revenue through signups and retention.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by brailsafe »

nominated1 wrote: post #253
brailsafe wrote: post #248

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What does this have to do with the movie? Even if I could imagine a scenario in which the argument would be relevant, I don't understand what you're specifically attacking here.

Financial struggles… isn’t that what we’re talking about? It’s simply one in a long line of offerings from Hollywood that is not meeting viewer expectations. I see it as a cumulative effect. ... And my reasons are clear.

That's a pretty tenous connection imo. You might as well pick any arbitrary thing you think is declining, financially I guess, and point to wokeness or the CCP as the cause. Is there something specific you saw in the older movies that you think is missing because of that stuff, therefore the movie is bad and wokeness is responsible?
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