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Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me?

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Re: Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me?

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Because professional Bitcoin miners--the ones who are actually getting rewards--are not using rigs in their homes. They make more money by using industrial-level setups, buildings dedicated to mining that are located where the energy, taxes, laws, etc. are most favorable. These miners are the ones making the actual money from Bitcoin, not the hobbyists running a home rig who never mine a single block before their har…

That's a fair point, but isn't your beef with externalities associated with electricity not electricity itself? Blaming bitcoin sound like whack-a-mole where you can blame video games, AI, whatever for wasting electricity. The real problem IMO is that electricity consumers create negative externalities, be it from making their home a bit too warm and comfy or from using a crypto-currency instead of a gold bar.

I think when people complain about emissions from Bitcoin, their beef is really with both energy emissions and Bitcoin. If our energy production did not pollute, then I wouldn't care how much people mine it, but as things are now, it seems wasteful.

It is often considered more wasteful than those other things you listed because the mining algorithm is designed to be wasteful; i.e., if people design faster mining chips, it doesn't make anything more efficient or increase economic growth, it just causes the hashing difficulty to increase among all miners. That is sheer stupidity.

Re: Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me?

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That's a fair point, but isn't your beef with externalities associated with electricity not electricity itself? Blaming bitcoin sound like whack-a-mole where you can blame video games, AI, whatever for wasting electricity. The real problem IMO is that electricity consumers create negative externalities, be it from making their home a bit too warm and comfy or from using a crypto-currency instead of a gold bar.

I think when people complain about emissions from Bitcoin, their beef is really with both energy emissions and Bitcoin. If our energy production did not pollute, then I wouldn't care how much people mine it, but as things are now, it seems wasteful. It is often considered more wasteful than those other things you listed because the mining algorithm is designed to be wasteful; i.e., if people design faster mining chip…

Given that bitcoin is just one tiny piece of massive electric inefficiency in our world today, do you not see eliminating externalities as the goal at hand? I just don't see how you can possibly solve your worries without getting to the root cause. IMO electrical production emissions damaging 3rd parties is the problem and bitcoin outrage is the symptom. Eliminate bitcoin and something else maybe picks up the electrical slack, with no real assurance what it will be.

Re: Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me?

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It was never meant to be private or anonymous. You’re creating huge strawmen here. Bitcoin is definitely fungible and decentralised. You’re using a lot of words that you don’t know what they mean.

On the contrary, I don’t think you know what those words mean. Bitcoin is neither fungible or decentralized. Mining is completely dominated/centralized by ASIC farms run by huge mining cartels. Also, buying Bitcoin from someone else inherits that coin’s entire history. If those coins were stolen at some point you could become liable. Bitcoins are non-fungible.

XMR is fungible, and bitcoin laid the foundation for that. IMO Bitcoin is just the entry point, like the ENIAC.

Re: Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me?

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1) is dated 1996, the S&P started on 614 and ended on 766. It would never be as low as it was then. Had you put $1k in at the peak in 2000 then you'd be below water for 12 years, but by now 22 years later you'd have $3300. Had you instead dripped $50 in each year since 2000 you'd have $3500. If you'd have put that $1k in a bank returning around the fed funds rate, you'd have about $1400. Dripping it in would be about…

I'm not sure what your point is. Buying the whole market or a substantial part of it has always been a good strategy. "Beating the market" is what "hot tips" are all about. "A fool and his money" etc. etc.

The market still seems to be in price discovery for crypto. Also, I wouldn't use crypto as an investment for some of the same reasons I wouldn't use dollars.

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>Bitcoin consumes massive amounts of energy for basically no benefit except pure money wonkery, which is no benefit at all. It's a net negative in every possible way. Well I disagree here. It provides benefit for many people. The example I continually use for me personally is buying precious metals with I think we're in agreement we would do well to be as efficient as we can with our resources. It would be great to f…

But those rules/fees are there for a reason. You (and me also) may not agree with those reasons, but still you are just circumventing a law made through a democratic process.

What law am I circumventing when I take my legally acquired, W-2 reported salary and buy litecoin and trade it for bullion from APMEX?

Re: Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me?

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>Are you buying precious metals in the abstract, commodities market sense or are you manufacturing? Because if its the former, I still don't think that's a net positive. Y'all told me crypto was bad and now I'm bad for dumping crypto to buy precious metals? The litecoin transaction I do uses $0.02 of electricity. $0.02. Ever left a lightbulb on longer than you should have? Spent $0.02 in gas to go to the bank to get…

> The litecoin transaction I do uses $0.02 of electricity. $0.02. Litecoin processes about 100k txs a day and miners make about 1M$ per day. So that comes to about 10$ in electricity per tx if we assume miners break even and ignore hardware depreciation. While this overestimates electricity costs, it's not off by orders of magnitude. This is the way that people attribute bitcoin's electricity costs to transactions. Y…

The marginal cost of the transaction is very close to the transaction fee. The block was going to be mined with or without my transaction. So no it definitely did not add $10 in electricity cost to add my transaction to the chain.

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Those achievements are through cooperative contracts and agreements. That can happen without US government. They can even happen without any government at all. Government after all is just a body with a monopoly on violence.

I don't think contracts can replace law. Imagine having to read and understand a unique 3000 page contract in order to buy a share of stock, or a house, or to get married. Imagine trying to do something like loan money if you have no way of knowing what someone's existing financial obligations are. I think the volume of economic activity would plummet. "Monopoly on violence" is something I've heard about before. Is t…

Contract is just 'law' between consenting parties. When a third party gets involved in a way considered 'legitimate' without the consent of the first two (or N number of consenting parties), you have government.

Re: Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me?

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I think when people complain about emissions from Bitcoin, their beef is really with both energy emissions and Bitcoin. If our energy production did not pollute, then I wouldn't care how much people mine it, but as things are now, it seems wasteful. It is often considered more wasteful than those other things you listed because the mining algorithm is designed to be wasteful; i.e., if people design faster mining chip…

Given that bitcoin is just one tiny piece of massive electric inefficiency in our world today, do you not see eliminating externalities as the goal at hand? I just don't see how you can possibly solve your worries without getting to the root cause. IMO electrical production emissions damaging 3rd parties is the problem and bitcoin outrage is the symptom. Eliminate bitcoin and something else maybe picks up the electri…

>Given that bitcoin is just one tiny piece of massive electric inefficiency in our world today

We probably disagree on what "tiny" means.

Re: Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me?

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Do you think more miners will join if Bitcoin gains more adoption? Their is a cost to even find out if decentralization (through blockchain) is even worth it.

How? They can't. My PC, laptop and phone can't mine bitcoin. The way to achieve true decentralization is ASIC resistant mining algorithms and some form of diminishing returns to force miners to operate at small to medium scales. We need lots and lots of small miners running on commodity hardware that people already own, not a few large scale operations running on expensive custom silicon.

You make some great points. My points were for crypto in general, so do you think a crypto will come that is truly decentralized and can be mined more easily?

Re: Is Bitcoin Down or Just Me?

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Bitcoin takes 200kWh per transaction. At current US energy pries of 13 cents, that's $26 per transaction.

The average transaction value made in bitcoin is $80k. A financial service cost of $26 on an $80k international transaction is amazingly good. And with something like litecoin goes down to $0.02

Just showing that bitcoin is more about international money laundering than a realistic currency
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