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I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Maybe you should stop. Let the system fail enough such that the pain that you're preventing will start to affect the people who can actually fix things. If you can't fix it, let the wheel squeak. You're not the parent or savior of those children, so don't allow your high levels of empathy and life choices to be exploited by bureacrats. They know exactly which buttons to push and how to manipulate the type of people t…

The problem is that people who can actually fix things generally send their kids to private schools.

Then solve that problem, and stop subsidizing incompetence and corruption.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

#742

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Got it, so you want to get people submitted into a procedure they don't want, while at the same time claiming you are "triple-vaxxed not for myself but out of solidarity for those around me". Why pretend you care about anyone? just say, hey I want everyone to do this so I feel safer.

> so you want to get people submitted into a procedure they don't want yes. peoples freedom stop where other peoples health begins. co-morbidity can not be solved but getting people vaccinated can. even it means it's "against their will", even they shout "fOrCeD mediCaL prOceDuRe". I don't care if it hurts their fragile egos and means they have to tone down the individualism. Either have a doctors exemption, pay a fi…

Ahh got it. Are you going to round up the people and get them into jail? You are talking about a threat of force, can you back this up? Would you volunteer to knock doors in Middle of Nowhere, AL to catch the people not paying the fine? or are you expecting someone else to do that for you?

Honestly you just sound like a troll, and you were called out on your previous comments. You are talking about some caricature "AntIVaXeR" that you don't even know in real life. After reading your other comments I don't even believe your story, but idk, maybe you do are that dissociated from reality that you believe it.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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> It more and more feels like we live in a society that sarcrifices their young, just to keep old people on their life support machines a little longer. Unfortunately, "let COVID run rampant and kill olds and other at-risk people" isn't a great strategy. And are people in their 40s-50s "old people on life support machines"? Because COVID-19 was the leading cause of death for people ages 45-54 years as recently as Oct…

> we know how to return to relative normalcy. We just aren't doing it, for reasons that have nothing to do with facts and reason. I would absolutely love to know what this plan you mention is. Because I absolutely do not know if any real path back to normalcy.

Well the tools we have are vaccination and avoiding human contact. We don't do either.

Unlike what politicians say the models and prior history simply say you got to vaccinate everyoe that can get vaccinated.

Also we need international soft real time cooperation and transparency. We are incapable of either.

It is just that COVID has the sweet spot of being transmissible but not causing grueling enough of deaths like measles or the plague so some people may ignore it or believe they can skip vaccination until it's their turn. And of course this is the perfect environment for a virus to mutate.

Also there is the misinformation that the virus has to become less deadly or has less long term impact as it mutates. I have no idea who had that bright idea and why it propagates. See the plague who as bubonic has the optimal close to 100% transmission and 100% fatality rate.

People are still in denial and we all pay the price. So the plan is just masses of people to get actually fed up and force things into other masses of people and slowly drag our economies to the ground, as pandemics do normally.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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“Just” doesn’t mean what you seem to think it does. Schools have very little margin for soaking up absence at that scale. If one out of five teachers are out, the kids will not be doing the learning which is the stated justification for not keeping them safe at home. Teaching is hard work, not hitting play on a video, and it requires time to prepare in addition to classroom time – teachers don’t call in sick for fun,…

But, at this point, they are pretty much babysitting them, at least according to the account from the reddit poster. Everyone's talking more about the testing than anything else with little added benefit.

Yes, note the large number of absences — that was basically the point: schools which have been resource-starved for many years don’t have anywhere near that much slack capacity, especially since one of the sources of substitutes are retired teachers who are at higher risk.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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> It more and more feels like we live in a society that sarcrifices their young, just to keep old people on their life support machines a little longer. Unfortunately, "let COVID run rampant and kill olds and other at-risk people" isn't a great strategy. And are people in their 40s-50s "old people on life support machines"? Because COVID-19 was the leading cause of death for people ages 45-54 years as recently as Oct…

> The good news is that with 9.4B vaccine doses administered we know how to return to relative normalcy. Even with high numbers of people vaccinated spread is only slowed. Even with boosters spread is only slowed. We tried vaccines and it has failed to bring a return to normalcy.

We didn't really try. Vaccination is a statistical game that requires everyone eligible to participate.

The question is if we still have that card to play correctly at all.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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> A lot of schools have nothing to offer the top 10% of students IMO, the ability to self-study ahead of peers is a defining criteria for being in that top 10%. So, the system is working as designed.

But to succeed in the educational system, you have to self study in a way that the system appreciates. That usually requires at least some external guidance. A student who studies the wrong subjects in chemistry gets no credit for that on the exam.

No, they still get something out of it. If they just study. Study anything, learn anything, actually open a book, it'll pay off in time.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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What do you mean by "skepticism in the existing covid vaccines"? Are you saying that people are disapointed that the vaccines aren't better at preventing disease and spread? I'm pretty sure that everyone falls into that category. But is there anything better available? Is there any better strategy than trying to continue to improve the vaccines and do more research hoping to someday get a handle on this? If we compar…

I mean that when you advertise that something is going to do a thing (end the disease; prevent them from catching it), encouraging people to get the vaccine because of those benefits. Then the reality is discovered to be that it doesn’t do any of those things, but it does provide a milder experience…and oh by the way, and that efficacy only lasts a few months, so go get another booster dose ASAP. That makes people sk…

> I mean that when you advertise that something is going to do a thing (end the disease; prevent them from catching it), encouraging people to get the vaccine because of those benefits.

Maybe we have different sources of information. I've never heard anyone claim that the vaccine will end the disease or prevent them from catching it. I've heard that the vaccines will decrease the likelihood of becoming sick which it does.

> Then the reality is discovered to be that it doesn’t do any of those things, but it does provide a milder experience…and oh by the way, and that efficacy only lasts a few months, so go get another booster dose ASAP.

I assume by "provide a milder experience" you mean "decrease the likelihood of becoming seriously ill". That's been the sales pitch that I heard for vaccines since the beginning. Similarly, it was never known how long the vaccines would remain effective.

> Right now I know probably 5-6x the number of vaccinated people who have had Covid post vaccination than people who had it prior to the vaccine being available. I know unvaccinated people who have never had Covid, and vaccinated people who have had it twice…post vaccination.

So what? Had those people not been vaccinated, then they probably would have been _more_ likely to develop serious disease.

I honestly just don't understand your point. The vaccines are not doing as well as many had hoped. Personally I had hoped that the entire pandemic would have gone away once vaccines became available, but that hope was clearly misplaced. But that just means that I was mistaken and that I need to change my perception of what this pandemic will mean going forward. I think you should do so as well.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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I agree with you, but I think it overstated the value of schooling as the only source of this development. There are so many free online education sources it is truly amazing, and yet for some reason our society’s answer to the pandemic was to have Zoom school at home which no one is happy with, rather than embrace different delivery methods that are actually engaging. Khan Academy, Duolingo, etc etc. I don’t think m…

I did a few years of entirely self-directed home school (single parent who worked) for late middle school/early high school. My learning outcomes were fine, but I still feel like I'm dealing with the effects of not being immersed in a normal social scene during my teens: a decade and a half later.

Many people who went through the traditional school experience would assure you that they too are still dealing with the negative effects! Being in school is not a panacea of positive experiences for a lot of people.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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> It's an inability to deal with risk out of all proportion to the reality it actually poses. Are we reading the same post? The kids are going to school. The faculty is so sick that they don't have enough people to run the school. > And children his age are not at a great risk to begin with. Honestly, do people think children just exist in isolation? They have older parents at home. They have older teachers in the cl…

> The faculty is so sick that they don't have enough people to run the school. This depends on how you define "so sick". Tested positive? Yes. Hospitalized? I bet not all (or > 1.8% [1]) of them. I notice when verbiage sensationalizes COVID. The OP, I believe, is also sensitive to this. > Honestly, do people think children just exist in isolation? This is the primary argument. Your two viewpoints are not mutually exc…

I am 25 years old, vaccinated two times (we are only eligible to 2 vaccines in Québec, Canada), had contact with a COVID positive case on sunday last week (January 2th) and I got sick enough to not be able to work from January 4th to January 9th.

I was not hospitalized and I was not able to work due to some quite heavy symptoms that prevent me to talk or focus more than a few minutes on a task.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

#750

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I mean that when you advertise that something is going to do a thing (end the disease; prevent them from catching it), encouraging people to get the vaccine because of those benefits. Then the reality is discovered to be that it doesn’t do any of those things, but it does provide a milder experience…and oh by the way, and that efficacy only lasts a few months, so go get another booster dose ASAP. That makes people sk…

> I mean that when you advertise that something is going to do a thing (end the disease; prevent them from catching it), encouraging people to get the vaccine because of those benefits. Maybe we have different sources of information. I've never heard anyone claim that the vaccine will end the disease or prevent them from catching it. I've heard that the vaccines will decrease the likelihood of becoming sick which it…

> Personally I had hoped that the entire pandemic would have gone away once vaccines became available, but that hope was clearly misplaced

Where did you get that hope from? You said the information you were getting did not provide that hope, that it set expectations to what they are. If you didn’t get that idea from the authorities touting the vaccine…where did you get it? Likely it was the assumption that these vaccines would work like all the others.

That is my point.

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