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I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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post #365

I read this post earlier today, and found it quite shocking. I really hope this is an exception rather than the normal. I previously didn't think about it this way, and thought closing schools was the more sensible choice. But we're failing a whole generation like this. It more and more feels like we live in a society that sarcrifices their young, just to keep old people on their life support machines a little longer…

We can't exactly ask teachers to get covid can we?

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Has technology for teaching remotely improved this pandemic? Anyone heard of anything? It has been two years and the high school teachers I talk to say it has not at all.

Technology won't solve the fundamental problem that people are generally more engaged and focused when they're physically proximal.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Your link doesn't lead to any data, I'm assuming you meant to link to something like this instead: https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page#daily Of course that says 44 deaths in the latest 7 day rolling average, not 38, and it loudly warns "Data from the most recent days are incomplete.", so presumably you meant to link to some other page... Your interpretation of the data is also just flat out wrong.…

Ok. this is from wsj.com "Omicron mortality is likely around 0.2%, roughly in line with seasonal flu." https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-variant-may-end-up-savi... Pretty close to my back of the napkin calculations.

Way more people will get omicron than the flu.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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I'm not following. The vast majority of people in school are younger than 18. I agree with you that it should be fine for most parents to leave an older kid (say 14+?) at home alone. But again, some kids just want to go to school to get some damn food, regardless of age!

I’m mostly curious about why the maturity period was prolonged by 5-10 years from what the human race had 100 or 1000 years ago. I’m not talking about education but the transition from youths to adulthood.

Science seems to be pointed hard towards 25 being the age of majority rather than 18. We are unlikely to see the age move in our lifetimes due to the military needing its recruits but it probably should. Do you really think the average 14-15 year old should be considered in the same maturity bracket as the average 35 or 45 year old? I was incapable of making good decisions at that age. The things I thought were cool, the way I thought things worked, the rational for the actions I took, all of it was cringe inducing now as an adult when I think back on it. When I think back on my 30's, I wish I had more information but overall see no fault in the way that I made my decisions.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Seems to me that the school is unnecessarily scaring kids more than doing anything else. These teens have almost nothing to fear from covid. Most of the rest of the country (outside major cities) almost ignores covid exists. Good article on the subject: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/12/where-i-li...

The divide in this country is just getting larger and lager. You have those who just no longer care about COVID, and those (like the kid in the article) who treat COVID as the most important control in their life. Are COVID deaths higher in the places that ignore? Not that I could see. There's going to be such a divide as these kids grow up. Personally? It's time to move on. Get vaccinated (no boosters), and then ign…

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Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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You are failing to consider the spread to vulnerable populations where the symptoms are fatal. Omicron is not mild, people with vaccines have mild symptoms due to its efficacy. All these kids come home to families with parents and grandparents. They also have young siblings.

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Unvaccinated assholes will still take up hospital beds and prevent your mother who has cancer from getting surgery.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Another long term (and equally hidden) consequence is the loss of critical educational development in children. We adults can toss off 2 years because it's just a drop in the bucket to us, but 2 years for a child represents a potentially staggering setback in their mental development.

I agree with you, but I think it overstated the value of schooling as the only source of this development. There are so many free online education sources it is truly amazing, and yet for some reason our society’s answer to the pandemic was to have Zoom school at home which no one is happy with, rather than embrace different delivery methods that are actually engaging. Khan Academy, Duolingo, etc etc. I don’t think m…

I did a few years of entirely self-directed home school (single parent who worked) for late middle school/early high school. My learning outcomes were fine, but I still feel like I'm dealing with the effects of not being immersed in a normal social scene during my teens: a decade and a half later.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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post #360

Seems to me that the school is unnecessarily scaring kids more than doing anything else. These teens have almost nothing to fear from covid. Most of the rest of the country (outside major cities) almost ignores covid exists. Good article on the subject: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/12/where-i-li...

The divide in this country is just getting larger and lager. You have those who just no longer care about COVID, and those (like the kid in the article) who treat COVID as the most important control in their life. Are COVID deaths higher in the places that ignore? Not that I could see. There's going to be such a divide as these kids grow up. Personally? It's time to move on. Get vaccinated (no boosters), and then ign…

I agree it’s the only way at this point. Get some protection and get on with it.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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We should have zero homeless children. That said the definition of "homeless" in this count is extremely broad. For example if you live in a trailer park, you are considered homeless. Even if someone stays temporarily in a hotel or motel, for example because of a fire or flood, will be counted as homeless. Even wider scope, a child who "qualified moved" within the last 36 months is considered migratory i.e. homeless.…

Living in a hotel does qualify as homeless in my opinion. Same as trailer or anything that is not a fixed home. The definition of homeless doesn not equate to just to simply sleeping under the stars.

How so? I grew up with kids whose entire childhood was in the same trailer park. They were homeless?

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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post #365

I read this post earlier today, and found it quite shocking. I really hope this is an exception rather than the normal. I previously didn't think about it this way, and thought closing schools was the more sensible choice. But we're failing a whole generation like this. It more and more feels like we live in a society that sarcrifices their young, just to keep old people on their life support machines a little longer…

We can't exactly ask teachers to get covid can we?

Devil's advocate: We were fine asking grocery store clerks, baristas, and cashiers to get covid
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