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Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by jimbob45 »

fourseventy wrote: post #13

How many students that got sick are experiencing symptoms more severe than the common cold? It seems like the chaos is caused by the attempted solutions to covid and not the actual symptoms? Edit: 7 day rolling average of COVID cases according to https://www1.nyc.gov/ is 32k cases per day with 38 deaths. So there is a 0.1% mortality rate.

I think the fear was that teachers would get the virus and then have to duck out. Even worse, many of the sub teachers we had in school were semi-retired teachers who would be even more vulnerable.

You could make a case for putting up a plexiglass wall between students and teachers just to end this headache and I think you wouldn’t find as much opposition now as you would have in 2020.

That said, some kids have to be physically restrained/handled and you can’t very well do that behind plexiglass.

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

VoodooJuJu wrote: post #26
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #14

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>It offers anti-vaxxers a road out of their self-radicalization. They are able to tone down their conspiracy and blame the government for having been "chipped", and so it's not like they "betrayed their cult" but they were forced to. I think that yours (and most people's) idea of the typical "anti-vaxxer" is a convenient caricature packaged and served to you by mass media and memes, that you've never actually listene…

Ohhhh... I have. As a matter of fact, he's going to go to Walgreen's today to get his first "DNA changing" jab because his Dollar General store manager salary won't keep up with the tests needed to maintain employment at his employer.

He's also the dude who will go outside and take random pictures of the sky so that people are aware of the contrails being used to control people's minds.

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

soneil wrote: post #187
parkingrift wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The single biggest issue I'm seeing in the original post is 40% of teachers being out. All the talk of being corralled into study hall is the fallout from this 40% figure. The reason teachers are out is because of the absurd quarantine rules. If you are fully vaccinated, but not boosted, you are required to quarantine for 5-10 days if you were exposed to someone with "confirmed or suspected COVID-19." At present the…

That's a tough nut to solve, because by time you find out if quarantine was necessary or not, it's too late. So do we err towards spreading less, or err towards teaching more. It seems difficult to have both. (Well, we could - replace whiteboards with screens, have the students onsite but the teachers remote. Not sure this is entirely practical?)

> Well, we could - replace whiteboards with screens, have the students onsite but the teachers remote. Not sure this is entirely practical?

You need some adult to supervise the classroom

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Post by rhinoceraptor »

bally0241 wrote: post #221
denton-scratch wrote: post #148

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> Omicron is not mild Anecdotally, I understand it can be pretty nasty - not "like a winter cold", more like bad 'flu (the anecdote relates to an antivaxx family).

I just got it along with family (both vaxxed and unvaxxed, there was no noticeable difference in symptoms). It was somewhere between a 'common cold' and the flu. Not fun, but definitely not something to panic about (understandably everyone will have a different reaction depending on their current state of health). However, I think we've reached the point of diminishing returns on any sort of intervention (they've all…

All the interventions we've done have been too-little, too-late. Telling people they're safe with a cloth mask when the virus transmits via airborne respiratory particles is obviously insane. We should have used war time powers to mass produce N95s and rapid tests, and mailed them to everyone with instructions on fit-testing.

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Post by brightball »

autarch wrote: post #268

Freddie de Boer just wrote something on his Substack about this - https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/many-kids-dont-have-a-w... The quick takeaway is that school is that for the most vulnerable kids, school is about a lot more than education. Taking school away from those kids can be much more damaging than many people realize. It seems to me like that right strategy would be to just say something like: We encourag…

IMO this is probably the best solution.

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

pb7 wrote: post #263
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people cannot get vaccinated. A friend of mine can't because she's immunocompromised. Their family has done their part by staying home and finding new activities for their kids to accomplish in the house (which, fortunately for them, is pretty easy because they're huge nerds and aren't hurting for money). They're lucky because her husband is a self-employed remote contractor and she is a remote special education…

Immunocompromised people (as a group, many of whom can get vaccinated anyway) generously make up ~3% of the total population. What is the other 22% of the aforementioned 25% doing? There’s no need to point to exceptions when there is a much bigger unexplained group, it just gives them undue plausible deniability.

The remainder is split into two groups: those who are politically aligned in a way that they will thump their chests and proclaim their superiority over COVID like it's some sort of candidate they can defeat, and those who have an anxiety issue over doctors and needles or are afraid that perhaps the ones who are anti-vaxx might be right due to some personal educational deficiency.

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Post by trenchgun »

autarch wrote: post #268

Freddie de Boer just wrote something on his Substack about this - https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/many-kids-dont-have-a-w... The quick takeaway is that school is that for the most vulnerable kids, school is about a lot more than education. Taking school away from those kids can be much more damaging than many people realize. It seems to me like that right strategy would be to just say something like: We encourag…

Yes.

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Post by unabirra »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #25
tomp wrote: post #18

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If you're afraid of the virus, get vaccinated yourself. That's literally the most you can do. If you're still afraid of the virus, you should know that vaccinating people (even forcefully) won't stop transmission. The virus is endemic. The only thing that can change between now and "back to normal" future is, your mind.

I'm not afraid. I am triple-vaxxed not for myself but out of solidarity for those around me. I am simply at the end of my patience with people going to protests clogging my city and creating politicians using the greenpass and constant checks and testing to create a divide. mandatory vaccination will get rid of surveillance solutions like the Greenpass while also protecting everyone. there can still be an exemption i…

Got it, so you want to get people submitted into a procedure they don't want, while at the same time claiming you are "triple-vaxxed not for myself but out of solidarity for those around me". Why pretend you care about anyone? just say, hey I want everyone to do this so I feel safer.

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Post by kcplate »

brandonmenc wrote: post #216
kcplate wrote: post #193

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The real problem is the word “vaccine”. The mRNA vaccines do not really work in a way that other vaccines do, and more importantly how we understand other vaccines to work. Prior to this pandemic the layman understanding of a vaccine was that they generally prevented you from “contracting” the disease. You get the shot, you don’t get the disease. We were basically sold this notion for the mRNA vaccines early in 2021.…

> Prior to this pandemic the layman understanding of a vaccine was that they generally prevented you from “contracting” the disease. You get the shot, you don’t get the disease. afaik the flu vaccine has for decades been advertised as: "might not always prevent, but will usually lessen symptoms" So I'm not sure why people think this is a new thing.

The flu is understood to be different, seasonal, yearly variants. It’s also why at least in the US it’s characterized as the “flu shot” as opposed to the flu “vaccine”.

Vaccines like MMR and others are understood to be generally preventative and rarely need booster if after initial doses.

Think about things that generally require boosters…they are almost always referred to by the laymen as “shots”. Nobody calls the tetnus shot a tetnus “vaccine”.

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