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Post by paul7986 »

autarch wrote: post #268

Freddie de Boer just wrote something on his Substack about this - https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/many-kids-dont-have-a-w... The quick takeaway is that school is that for the most vulnerable kids, school is about a lot more than education. Taking school away from those kids can be much more damaging than many people realize. It seems to me like that right strategy would be to just say something like: We encourag…

give kids the chance to choose to go to school or not ... most won't go and then outside of learning the biggest benefit of socializing/making freinds/fully enjoy being human which to me is with others is lost. People at my job have given the same choose and really no one goes in.

COVID is scourge to the world ... whose is to blame for it? Does any one country benefit from it? What's going on with Covid in China ... when will they rank as the number superpower in the world ... last i saw in the next five to ten years.

If you downvote me do you think the Chinese govt. is one to trust ... good for societies around the world? The world is now living like they were in the 2000s to present... with a mask on!

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Post by kodah »

megablast wrote: post #312
kodah wrote: post #211

> One student tested positive IN THE AUDITORIUM, and a few students started screaming and ran away from him. There was now a lack of available seats given there was a COVID-positive student within the middle of the auditorium. This is really awful behavior.

Why?? This is normal and natural.

No, it's not normal and it's not natural. I remember being treated like this by the same people I heard spread fear and misinformation about COVID throughout the year before I got COVID. It's incredibly dehumanizing, isolating, and fractures any sense of community. My relationship with those people will never be the same.

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Post by caddemon »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #127
brohoolio wrote: post #9

I don’t understand why remote learning during this surge isn’t acceptable. I’ve seen opinion piece after opinion piece go on and on about how we need to have kids in school. The pieces attack school officials or teachers but complete ignore the logistics of having so many sick teachers. There aren’t enough subs to cover for the teachers. We know this surge will die down in 4-6 weeks. It’s a perfect time to pivot to r…

I guess this is my followup question is, would your opinion change if we replaced “remote learning” with “no school”? Remote learning largely doesn’t work, and I think the fact that it’s seen as an option is warping the conversation. Now, maybe schools really should close even if remote learning was off the table, because the situation described in the link is quite dire. But see, then I look around, and I see that i…

Do you consider cramming 14 classes worth of students in to an auditorium for "study hall" an education?

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Post by WaitWaitWha »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #301
autarch wrote: post #268

Freddie de Boer just wrote something on his Substack about this - https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/many-kids-dont-have-a-w... The quick takeaway is that school is that for the most vulnerable kids, school is about a lot more than education. Taking school away from those kids can be much more damaging than many people realize. It seems to me like that right strategy would be to just say something like: We encourag…

>> The National School Boards Association says that 1,384,000 public school students are homeless. Holy fucking crap. (Sorry I don't normally react like that, and even given homeless might not be "living on street", that is a horrific statistic)

We should have zero homeless children.

That said the definition of "homeless" in this count is extremely broad.

For example if you live in a trailer park, you are considered homeless. Even if someone stays temporarily in a hotel or motel, for example because of a fire or flood, will be counted as homeless. Even wider scope, a child who "qualified moved" within the last 36 months is considered migratory i.e. homeless.

https://nche.ed.gov/mckinney-vento-definition/ )

(I understand pointing out incomplete [is there a better word?] facts is unpopular.)

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Post by analog31 »

wildrhythms wrote: post #316
analog31 wrote: post #300

Interestingly, the prevailing belief seems to be that parents, teachers, and students, all want to keep in-person school going. Yet when you actually hear from each of those groups, it's a mixed picture. Here's a HS student with boots on the ground describing the situation in what seems to be a fairly objective way. Elsewhere, teachers unions are voting to suspend school. This seems to be what a lot of people want ,…

Interestingly, the 'boots on the ground' that you've lent credence to is in agreement with what you assume is the teacher's union 'non-objective' stance.

Indeed, what I was hoping to convey is that the prevailing belief is contradicted by both the boots on the ground and the teachers unions.

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Post by mlindner »

pvaldes wrote: post #227
kaba0 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if it is not dangerous to them, it gives really fertile grounds for spread to student’s families, friends, etc who may be in the vulnerable group.

Even if is not dangerous to them, it could be tomorrow. We are just giving the virus more and more time to kill us and golden opportunities to mutate again, maybe the next time for a sudden worse turn. And we call ourselves a smart species... The non vaccinated people are a life saver from the point of view of the organism and this people are purposely destroying the economy for everybody.

Viruses don't mutate toward being more deadly. In fact they mutate away from it. There's active natural selection to spread faster, and be less deadly, and that's exactly what Omicron is. Why Covid was deadly in the first place was because it targeted some other animal with different defenses and had natural immunity toward it. Then it jumped species to humans and suddenly was quite deadly, but spread somewhat poorly as it wasn't catered to humans yet. Several mutations later it now spreads crazy rapidly but it's killing a lot fewer people.

A virus' end "goal" is to be endemic in the population. Infecting and spreading but killing almost no one, just like the flu does.

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Post by mlindner »

megablast wrote: post #312
kodah wrote: post #211

> One student tested positive IN THE AUDITORIUM, and a few students started screaming and ran away from him. There was now a lack of available seats given there was a COVID-positive student within the middle of the auditorium. This is really awful behavior.

Why?? This is normal and natural.

No it's incredibly abnormal. It's a sign of brainwashing and paranoia.

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Post by darth_avocado »

autarch wrote: post #268

Freddie de Boer just wrote something on his Substack about this - https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/many-kids-dont-have-a-w... The quick takeaway is that school is that for the most vulnerable kids, school is about a lot more than education. Taking school away from those kids can be much more damaging than many people realize. It seems to me like that right strategy would be to just say something like: We encourag…

It will be year 3 of covid and this is 100% the fault of the same people who have created every other problem in the education system: the administrators. There is no perfect way to open schools, that much is certain after looking at other countries. But looking at the state of things, it doesn’t even seem like people are trying.

Japan has students come in on alternate days, so that the school can operate at 50% capacity. Mask mandates, social distancing and temperature checks are enforced strictly. Sweden has kept its schooling open (although it has had covid outbreaks, but the numbers were similar to Finland where the schools were closed). Uruguay opened up schools early for its most vulnerable kids. The point being, there are different ways to solve the problem, but only in America, can we be stuck with the worst way to do it.

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Post by MattGaiser »

mavelikara wrote: post #302
MattGaiser wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has always been true in a way. A lot of schools have nothing to offer the top 10% of students, so the students/parents of the students who broke away from the pack were finding ways to learn on their own/have their kids learn on their own.

> A lot of schools have nothing to offer the top 10% of students IMO, the ability to self-study ahead of peers is a defining criteria for being in that top 10%. So, the system is working as designed.

But to succeed in the educational system, you have to self study in a way that the system appreciates. That usually requires at least some external guidance. A student who studies the wrong subjects in chemistry gets no credit for that on the exam.

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Post by mrkramer »

wildrhythms wrote: post #317
mrkramer wrote: post #174

I think the main question is how much are we willing to sacrifice of our lifestyle? People die every day of various reasons alcohol, drugs, strokes, car accidents etc. COVID is imminent danger to the people with underlying conditions and they should practice maximum precautions(distance, masks etc. plus Vitamin D intake). Other people should carry on living. COVID is coming to endemic soon.

This mindset- let the weak fend for themselves while the strong go on- is literally the justification for eugenics.

I said >COVID is imminent danger to the people with underlying conditions and they should practice maximum precautions(distance, masks etc. plus Vitamin D intake).

So what is alternative? Let kids down the drain with their education and childhood.

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