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The link doesn't mention deaths at all, it talks about disruption to education and an inability to teach despite the move away from remote learning.
We’re seriously treating this like it’s the measles.
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>It offers anti-vaxxers a road out of their self-radicalization. They are able to tone down their conspiracy and blame the government for having been "chipped", and so it's not like they "betrayed their cult" but they were forced to. I think that yours (and most people's) idea of the typical "anti-vaxxer" is a convenient caricature packaged and served to you by mass media and memes, that you've never actually listene…
don't think you know me but:
I lost my mother due to covid. she was an anti-vaxxer right until the last minute when she died just before Christmas. She was a vulnerable nutcase for years and easily gamed into any kind of MLM scheme.
I was forced to cut off one of my 2 best friends (of 40 years) because they could no longer be reasoned with. we ignored his alternative life-style and individualism because why wouldn't we. but it also put him into a risk-group of suckers that get brainwashed. the same guy now cut off relations to his mother who is battling cancer on the grounds that "she chose to be vaccinated".
These people are crazy, and it's their right to be crazy, but the cost of being crazy can not be exploited by media and politicians. That's why I am 100% for reducing their freedom and have them undergo a "forced medical procedure" (as they call it).
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> I don’t understand why remote learning during this surge isn’t acceptable. I’ve seen opinion piece after opinion piece go on and on about how we need to have kids in school. I agree that this would be a great time for temporary remote schooling. I think the problem is that months and months of unnecessary school closures have broken parents (and kids), as well as burned a lot of trust that this will be handled with…
Afaik, Amerika had super strong opposition to any lockdowns or measure from the start. There was no period in which it had super strong lockdowns or super excessive restrictions. It is not backslash to any real policy, it is people who are against those having exact same opinions as they had the whole time.
"America" is 300 million people and 50 separate states in a federal system. The reflexive urge to treat it as a single entity is central to the problem I'm discussing. On the more functional side, the lack of border controls between states in a federal system made tamping cases down to minimal levels a big challenge.
The entire world settled into an equilibrium of calibrating restrictions (both via policy and individual behavior) based on case numbers. In the US, national numbers drove much of this conversation, treating a continent-spanning nation as if it was epidemiologically equivalent to Belgium.
> There was no period in which it had super strong lockdowns or super excessive restrictions.
just a couple of examples that I'm personally familiar with:
- California was under a statewide stay-at-home order from March 2020 to January 2021 (by contrast, France lifted their lockdown from May to October)
- San Francisco public schools were closed for over a year, and much of the US has been extreme about school closures. UK schools have never entirely shut down, and across Europe schools have been dramatically more open than across the US.
You're not wrong that American restrictions have generally been lighter, but this elides the many individual pockets with unnecessary NPIs based on case rates in irrelevant parts of the country. Schools are the most dramatic example of this, but things like spring 2020 lockdowns based on a pandemic that was limited to the Northeast at the time set us up for the heavy resistance to restrictions we saw in many states when they were actually hit in the summer (helped along by El Presidente's abuse of the bully pulpit).
Wow, it looks like this is the closest our schools have ever been at preparing students for life in the real working world. I could have written this myself about work (with a few changes noted below): Classes that I did attend were quiet and empty. would be: Meetings that I did attend were meaningless and pointless. I arrived at school and promptly went to Study Hall...Second period I had another absent teacher...Th…
I don’t understand why remote learning during this surge isn’t acceptable. I’ve seen opinion piece after opinion piece go on and on about how we need to have kids in school. The pieces attack school officials or teachers but complete ignore the logistics of having so many sick teachers. There aren’t enough subs to cover for the teachers. We know this surge will die down in 4-6 weeks. It’s a perfect time to pivot to r…
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It’s a good thing I guess that all kids are orphans and don’t know and never interact with someone who might be old or immunocompromised.
As you can see it’s not a zero sum game. The precautions you are implying must be taken to protect a hypothetical outlier is essentially shutting down all learning at this school, and likely many others like it.
I would suggest on balance, and particularly in light of how virulent and mild Omicron is, it’s time for the “protect grandpa” pleaders to update their mental model - what you’re saying is sacrifice everyone’s quality of life and freedom and ability to live, learn, and play, for a hypothetical outlier who has plenty of tools already to protect themselves.
From the description it seems like a good problem to solve is "how do we get students the support they needed in 2020 while not creating a dangerous situation?" they should treat homerooms as the place students stay all day to attend classes semi-remotely. This allows teachers to work while quarantining and students to keep learning if at home temporarily. An issue with covid is it spreads so fast but symptoms may be…
COVID is not dangerous to students. Look up the number of deaths of people under the age of 18 due to COVID. It's basically nothing.