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Post by bombcar »

barry-cotter wrote: post #433
jakeinspace wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A decent trailer can be a more pleasant living experience than a tiny manhattan studio, I fail to see why that should qualify as homeless. Maybe using an in-between category would be helpful.

There is no in between category. They're classed as homeless because the people doing the classification are of a social class that don't consider trailers acceptable. It's not about material living conditions. It's about social class considerations.

This results in laws making trailer living illegal, converting the residents therein to truely homeless, thereby making the numbers balance again.

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Post by danenania »

lokar wrote: post #257
zaroth wrote: post #99

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Those people can vaccinate and do any number of measures to protect themselves as they see fit. As you can see it’s not a zero sum game. The precautions you are implying must be taken to protect a hypothetical outlier is essentially shutting down all learning at this school, and likely many others like it. I would suggest on balance, and particularly in light of how virulent and mild Omicron is, it’s time for the “pr…

The vaccine does not work for people with suppressed immune systems

Considering there are immunosuppressed people who can’t get vaccinated, and that covid is unlikely to ever go away, are you saying that we should continue with covid restrictions forever?

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Post by umvi »

trailingComma wrote: post #445
sva_ wrote: post #365

I read this post earlier today, and found it quite shocking. I really hope this is an exception rather than the normal. I previously didn't think about it this way, and thought closing schools was the more sensible choice. But we're failing a whole generation like this. It more and more feels like we live in a society that sarcrifices their young, just to keep old people on their life support machines a little longer…

You think a school being basically worthless when open because large numbers of teachers have become ill from infection spread, is some how a criticism of closing schools to prevent infection spread?

Are large numbers of teachers ill or large numbers of teachers too fearful/cautious to come in? If the former... in my own experience almost everyone fully recovers from covid without hospitalization in less than 2 weeks. So if dozens of teachers got sick... most or all should be back next week.

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Post by BeefWellington »

fourseventy wrote: post #80
0xCMP wrote: post #63

From the description it seems like a good problem to solve is "how do we get students the support they needed in 2020 while not creating a dangerous situation?" they should treat homerooms as the place students stay all day to attend classes semi-remotely. This allows teachers to work while quarantining and students to keep learning if at home temporarily. An issue with covid is it spreads so fast but symptoms may be…

COVID is not dangerous to students. Look up the number of deaths of people under the age of 18 due to COVID. It's basically nothing.

There are more dangers than death, such as becoming an orphan, losing extended family members, or other lasting effects COVID has on the body.

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Post by CharlesW »

sva_ wrote: post #365

I read this post earlier today, and found it quite shocking. I really hope this is an exception rather than the normal. I previously didn't think about it this way, and thought closing schools was the more sensible choice. But we're failing a whole generation like this. It more and more feels like we live in a society that sarcrifices their young, just to keep old people on their life support machines a little longer…

> It more and more feels like we live in a society that sarcrifices their young, just to keep old people on their life support machines a little longer.

Unfortunately, "let COVID run rampant and kill olds and other at-risk people" isn't a great strategy. And are people in their 40s-50s "old people on life support machines"? Because COVID-19 was the leading cause of death for people ages 45-54 years as recently as October.¹

Yes, it's only the #2 leading cause of death for those 25-34 in that same time period, and lower still for children. But death isn't the only negative outcome. We now know that SARS-CoV-2 infection increases the odds of kids getting Type 1 diabetes, can worsen existing diabetes symptoms, and in turn, people with diabetes are at increased risk for severe COVID-19. There are long-term health and quality-of-life impacts that we don't yet understand.

The good news is that with 9.4B vaccine doses administered we know how to return to relative normalcy. We just aren't doing it, for reasons that have nothing to do with facts and reason.

¹https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-...

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Post by relaxing »

WaitWaitWha wrote: post #324
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #301

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>> The National School Boards Association says that 1,384,000 public school students are homeless. Holy fucking crap. (Sorry I don't normally react like that, and even given homeless might not be "living on street", that is a horrific statistic)

We should have zero homeless children. That said the definition of "homeless" in this count is extremely broad. For example if you live in a trailer park, you are considered homeless. Even if someone stays temporarily in a hotel or motel, for example because of a fire or flood, will be counted as homeless. Even wider scope, a child who "qualified moved" within the last 36 months is considered migratory i.e. homeless.…

The better word is false. You’re spreading outright falsehoods, and you’ve created a thread of people who now share the same misconception.

Start at the top of the definition -- the statute concerns “individuals who lack a fixed, regular, and adequate nighttime residence”.

Key word is fixed.

Then you have to be familiar with the difference between a trailer -- as in RV, or motor home -- that is not fixed, and one that is fixed to a foundation (sometimes called a manufactured home, or a single/double wide.)

Living out of an RV is homeless, living in a trailer on a pad is not.

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Post by serverlessmom »

This is a heart breaking read and very eye opening. I knew that it was bad but actually reading this from the perspective of a student really clarifies how poorly handled the pandemic has been within the school system and the type of stress that the students themselves are under just trying to survive.

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Post by LodeOfCode »

germinalphrase wrote: post #439
alach11 wrote: post #432

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Double up classes. You could have a 60 person class taught by one teacher, with the other acting as support.

I am a high school English teacher. I currently teach six sections of 30-35 students. I already spend my nights and weekends lesson planning/assessing writing, and you want to double my student load? Fuck off. I’d quit tomorrow.

The grading (and lesson planning/assignment & test writing, though those scale anyway) would be split between the teacher giving the lesson and the one acting as a surrogate, so they'd basically still have the same load each.

Edit: probably on an alternating assignments basis rather than a "half the students' papers for you, half for me" basis, for grading consistency/fairness reasons

Edit2: Actually, for feedback-latency reasons it's probably better to split grading the other way. I wonder whether it's better to split each assignment randomly, or grade as two separate classes with shared lectures.

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Post by simfree »

adventured wrote: post #382
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #301

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>> The National School Boards Association says that 1,384,000 public school students are homeless. Holy fucking crap. (Sorry I don't normally react like that, and even given homeless might not be "living on street", that is a horrific statistic)

> even given homeless might not be "living on street", that is a horrific statistic It would be a horrific statistic, if it were even remotely close to being accurate. The US had 580,000 total homeless in 2020. [1] That's up from the recent lows before the pandemic when it was ~50,000 lower (and it's dramatically lower than prior to the start of the federal Housing First program). If the NSBA is claiming 1.4 million,…

Have you seen the homelessness problem in Vancouver, BC? Its terrible, as is the housing affordablility problems.

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Post by ericb »

tomp wrote: post #16

This exemplifies the worst part of this pandemic - the mind virus . A lot of people in the society are LARPing (pretending) that the virus is serious - staying home, testing constantly, "close contact notifications", "running away from a positive student" - yet at the same time, acting as if it's obviously not a dangerous virus - if it were, they'd all be staying away from each other . Basically new "security theatre…

The simpler explanation--they know the virus is most likely not dangerous to themselves. But they care about others, have empathy, and don't want to have anyone else's death on their conscience, and think we should all work together on this.

To those without empathy or conscience, these people seem to be doing something silly and theatrical and it mystifies them.

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