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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by JaimeThompson »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #470
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #466

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But do they hate them because they didnt provide government support as part of their response, or do they hate them because they think just doing nothing wouldn't have also destroyed their business when everyone got sick at the same time?

They hate them for inflating the currency, giving everyone stimulus and so many benefits it’s hard to hire, for forcing their businesses to shut down for months and have 50% of small restaurants go insolvent for “two weeks to slow the spread,” for forcing people to work from home suddenly and the productivity damages and delays initially caused… There’s plenty to hate and more.

"giving everyone stimulus and so many benefits it’s hard to hire"

When did all of those benefits and stimulus for the common person end? It was September wasn't it with some states stopping them months before that yet the states that stopped them before are still having trouble filling jobs.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by glenneroo »

jaarse wrote: post #204
pdimitar wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, they can be a good temporary crutch, I can see that. But are they addressing the root causes?

Think of it like any other type of medicine. I have blood pressure issues. I try to eat right, and exercise. I have my whole life. I practice meditation and slowing down and generally feel fairly stress free as well. I do this to address the “root” cause as you would put it. Unfortunately in this area I also need a little help from modern science, so I’m glad I have access to it.

Nobody seems to be addressing withdrawal symptoms of anti-depressants. I have way too many years experience dealing with this with friends and family and too many types of anti-depressants. It's never fun. Even doctors who prescribe the SSRIs won't admit to it - I stopped counting how many times a doctor said, "I've never heard of withdrawal symptoms for before!" meanwhile they write out another prescription for the next SSRI/SSNRI because the last one stopped working after x months/years.

I know of several cases where symptoms lasted for years. I know too many people who have had many different symptoms simultaneously while coming off of e.g. Effexor (with or without tapering dosage), ranging from flu-like symptoms for up to a whole year (meanwhile people moan about having 1-2 days of flu-like symptoms after getting vaccinated), horrible nightmares, cramps, headache, nausea, dizziness, worse depression than before, lethargy, insomnia, and the list goes on.

With "any other type of medication" you generally don't have to deal with withdrawal symptoms, so it's a bit unfair to compare them like that, although I agree to some extent that for some people, they are better than not being able to get out of bed, especially for people who can't afford to get alternative types of help, but people on anti-depressants are never like themselves before they started taking them.

And to add, they are IMHO not addressing the root cause of anything. People become 100% dependent on anti-depressants and after 1-2 days of stopping begin to experience withdrawal symptoms of varying intensity. Granted every person is different and will take different anti-depressants with varying dosages which will have varying impact on their psychological health. Sorry if this appears like a rant, I'm also glad for the existence of such medications but I think they are just handed out like candy without any consideration.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by peatmoss »

bingohbangoh wrote: post #447
chernevik wrote: post #415

The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. It has been as if COVID was the only risk and the only negative, and any other matter was necessarily secondary. To even mention these…

I’m gonna defend a bit here. Early on, nobody knew what covid was gonna look like. It had the potential for millions dead with a very high rate of spread. So we panicked. It seems forgotten that nobody remembers how awful, unknown, and strange the early pandemic was back in March 2020. What’s pathetic is how almost two years later, when we know oodles more about this disease, our solutions are identical. Where is the…

It also felt like once we in the US barely caught our breath, everything took on a political valence. Everyone dug in so hard that, when new information or considerations came to light, nobody could budge.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by batch12 »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #472
batch12 wrote: post #467

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Nope, still haven't seen this as a thing. There are still drugstores and doctors offices which have vaccines in these poor areas that give the shots for free. Not getting the shot is a deliberate choice and it's not racism that is blocking people from getting it. People of every race are smart and enabled enough to get this shot if they want it.

Interesting that COVID vaccine provision is less racist than the average healthcare provision: > NAM found that “racial and ethnic minorities receive lower-quality health care than white people—even when insurance status, income, age, and severity of conditions are comparable.” By “lower-quality health care,” NAM meant the concrete, inferior care that physicians give their black patients. NAM reported that minority p…

Are you saying that CVS has been turning away brown people who want covid shots or are you just parroting rhetoric without really knowing or looking into the true root cause of this issue? Yes. My firsthand anecdotal conversations with black friends and family confirms that they are indeed smart enough and able enough to get the widely available covid shots. For free if that is an issue. Where is this black-person-filled walled-off republican area of the country you are talking about?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

JaimeThompson wrote: post #481
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They hate them for inflating the currency, giving everyone stimulus and so many benefits it’s hard to hire, for forcing their businesses to shut down for months and have 50% of small restaurants go insolvent for “two weeks to slow the spread,” for forcing people to work from home suddenly and the productivity damages and delays initially caused… There’s plenty to hate and more.

"giving everyone stimulus and so many benefits it’s hard to hire" When did all of those benefits and stimulus for the common person end? It was September wasn't it with some states stopping them months before that yet the states that stopped them before are still having trouble filling jobs. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The stimulus stopped as did some other programs like deferring rent payments.

Others did not though. Many people have private agreements with their landlords for payment, and some cities have their own policies. Some are still collecting unemployment. Many just have never reentered the workforce. For example, many “Baby Boomers” decide this was retirement time and retired en-masse instead of being spread out.

And then there is the whole “Great Resignation” going on for the rest.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by watwut »

jsodw wrote: post #345
watwut wrote: post #302

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I suspect one reason are online games. Boys are more likely to play them and in lockdown, they were the one of few socialization available. It does not matter what are reasons for disparity. But, the boys were more likely to continue some unchanged socialization ad they had before. They already had established groups to play with and so on.

Girls continue to have Instagram.

1.) Boys too.

2.) It is not socialization with active voice chat. That is more like writing letter or something like that. It will do less to make your brain feel like you have social connection.

The thing that is supposed to make difference (according to psychologist that had talk about social isolation) is talking. People who call have similar psychological results as those heavily socialized. if you write mails a lot, you reassemble lonely people more.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

hackflip wrote: post #460
Krasnol wrote: post #420

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Everybody I know who got Covid, got it from their kids which go to school. Yes mortality is low and kids are quite safe from hard impacts but they don't live in a bubble. They meet people. Also: even if you don't die of it, it could have severe impacts on your life. Long Covid is a thing. It's not that simple...

Should children have to sacrifice their development to protect adults? I always thought adults should be the ones making sacrifices for children, not the other way around.

On airplanes the parents are told to fit their oxygen mask first in an emergency, as its hard to help your child when you are unconscious. I feel the same applies here.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by refurb »

R0b0t1 wrote: post #140
pdimitar wrote: post #102

I'll join the chorus of the other sibling commenters here by expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything. Psychiatric medication often simply numbs your brain so it stops being worried about things that legitimately and truly torment it. It reduces your sensitivity, it knocks off your normal brain chemicals balance, and it turns you into a robot. I've had a family member go through this a…

To offer some explanation in defense of this, though I can't cite it right now: There's two major tests for the efficacy of depression-treating drugs that I am aware of. One is a "willpower" test, which in one incarnation is attempting to drown a mouse. A compound more likely to be efficacious in humans if it makes a mouse attempt to swim longer before ultimately succumbing to exhaustion. Taken by itself this test se…

What? For humans they use validated depression surveys conducted by medical professionals.

You can look it up in any of the drug labels.

A 4-week study of inpatients meeting DSM-III-R criteria for MDD with melancholia utilizing Effexor in a range of 150 to 375 mg per day (divided in a three-times-a-day schedule) demonstrated superiority of Effexor over placebo based on the HAM-D-21 total score. The mean dose in completers was 350 mg per day (study 3).

https://labeling.pfizer.com/showlabeling.aspx?id=100#section...

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by watwut »

newsclues wrote: post #356
jsodw wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Girls continue to have Instagram.

Where the activity can be distressing or malicious in terms of jealousy and trolling

Online gaming too, severely too. Maybe even more. But, it is closer to irl communication.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by bobbyasdfasdf7 »

I don't understand why people try to blame mental health effects on our mitigation attempts and not the horror of covid itself. It's like blaming seasonal depression on wearing coats and staying inside instead of the fact that it's cold and dark outside.

The fact that there's an extremely contagious disease that has a good chance of maiming you and has killed 800,000 Americans is enough to make you depressed all on its own.

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