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Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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I'll join the chorus of the other sibling commenters here by expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything. Psychiatric medication often simply numbs your brain so it stops being worried about things that legitimately and truly torment it. It reduces your sensitivity, it knocks off your normal brain chemicals balance, and it turns you into a robot. I've had a family member go through this a…

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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I'll join the chorus of the other sibling commenters here by expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything. Psychiatric medication often simply numbs your brain so it stops being worried about things that legitimately and truly torment it. It reduces your sensitivity, it knocks off your normal brain chemicals balance, and it turns you into a robot. I've had a family member go through this a…

Ironically it is this sort of arm chair anti science bullshit that increase suicide risk among the mentally ill y contributing to a stigma of being medicated for a mental health condition.

On the contrary, blindly believing (not knowing) is unscientific in any and all regards.

I too saw people taking pills and becoming "robots" in the methaphoric sense. They were dull and not themselves, "just" without suicidal tendencies. It was absolutely devastating to live under a roof with them.

When I got a major depression, a decade back, I decided that I will not take any meds, because I'd rather die the person I was, than live on as an empty shell.

Did that mean I didn't get help? Hell no!

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Not at all ironically, you didn't present anything scientific either. And I don't stigmatize people for seeking help. I am skeptical if medications help because I haven't seen them work for the several people I know who tried them.

Anti-psychotic drugs helped stabilize someone I know. It did matter to find the right drug, and nothing else helped. So there, one anecdote vs. another. I do agree with the general sentiment, though that has to do with the rulers of this world (not politicians).

Yeah, I don't disagree at all. In fact I was on CBD for a while and it really did help me to almost eliminate my anxiety.

And yep, my beef with psychiatric chemical help is exactly that: I want to see more will to repair the system and not treat more and more patients.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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I really used to think this way as well, and was dead set against psychiatric medication. Unfortunately I have had multiple family members recently deal with crippling and harmful bouts of depression and extreme anxiety. They tried many things, but ultimately it was medication (not to remove the feelings, but just to help manage them) and long term counselling that helped things get better. The medication alone is no…

Sure, they can be a good temporary crutch, I can see that. But are they addressing the root causes?

Think of it like any other type of medicine.

I have blood pressure issues. I try to eat right, and exercise. I have my whole life. I practice meditation and slowing down and generally feel fairly stress free as well.

I do this to address the “root” cause as you would put it. Unfortunately in this area I also need a little help from modern science, so I’m glad I have access to it.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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NYC just released data that shows 50% of those hospitalized and Covid positive, were not admitted for Covid, but another condition . Makes you wonder about deaths counts too?

Considering how drastic the excess deaths of 2020 and 2021 are relative to previous years, I have a decent amount of faith in the number of deaths reported to be caused by covid. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Did you dig into the excess death numbers? A big fraction aren’t covid related, interestingly.

No saying people aren’t dying of Covid, just wondering how accurate the numbers are? And is Covid as the cause correctly attributed?

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> 2. It's low risk to almost ALL children. What do we do if their parents end up unable to work due to long term COVID or worse their parents die? https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/9bhg-hcku?mobile_redirect=true 30-64yo are a significant percentage of total deaths. 30-55 is probably a reasonable age range for parents with dependent children. > 3. Please present evidence of long term effect in a non-negligible percentage o…

> What do we do if their parents end up unable to work due to long term COVID or worse their parents die? What will my mother's friend's family do after their father, husband and sole provider died within 10 minutes of taking the vaccine, right there on the spot, on the vaccine queue? (Answer: the family almost got evicted by the way. And lived in poverty for 7-8 months before recovering.) Where do we draw the line,…

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Where’s that insta internal investigation on how it’s toxic to young girls (indicative of social media in general).

Nowhere? I suspect few people actually read the report [1]. They asked teen girls (and boys) how Instagram made them feel. The most common response for girls was "no effect" 43%, followed by "somewhat better" 29%, then "somewhat worse" at 18%, then "much better" at 8%, and lastly "much worse" at 3%. The media conspicuously ignored that substantially more girls felt that Instagram made them feel better than worse. 1.…

I don't trust any research Facebook releases about the impact of their own platform and would take such with a grain of salt. There is no incentive for them to ever release negative results.

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NYC just released data that shows 50% of those hospitalized and Covid positive, were not admitted for Covid, but another condition . Makes you wonder about deaths counts too?

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They were yet to be diagnosed when they went into hospital.

That’s my point. They are hospitalized (had a condition that required admission), but not because of Covid.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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I work with sex addicts. I've been very surprised (and skeptical) that suicide and various psychological breakdowns weren't being reported as being higher since covid hit.

At least in my little bubble the emotional and psychological struggle has escalated greatly in these covid times of increased anxiety, destroyed routines, and much deeper isolation.

Everyone's trying to cope, one way or another. It's hard to watch.

I personally keep trying to shake the jadedness, getting sucked into technical work for the numbing blanket of my mind, I want to look my family members in the eyes. To be present with them.

It's... kind of working.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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The point of medication is not to always numb your brain but temporary ease the pain until you can stand on your own feet again. When life goes so wrong for some people and their brain pain signal is so high that you can't even get out of bed, those medications help. It helps them to sleep and think less until they start to think correctly. The issue today, is that people are expected to be productive all the time de…

I am not arguing with the desired outcome. But what I've seen more often than not is that people get addicted to the pills and never do stand on their own feet again. And I agree with your second paragraph completely. I am sick of society pretending that people are "sick". They are not. They are responding naturally to an increasingly hostile world.

I'm sick of people pretending that they know more about brain chemistry and human behavior than the thousands of professionals and the decades of research devoted to the topic, but here we are with your dismissive posts. Some people eventually get off the medications. Some can't function without them. Your attitude is akin to being upset because once a paraplegic is in a wheelchair that they never just get up and try to walk again.
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