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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by christkv »

wruza wrote: post #259

This pandemic is very strange mental-wise, all my doctors note that. The US, as far as I understand, has huge lockdowns and that may be the factor, but in my country it's called "an advisory self-isolation" and everyone basically lives their life like before, except wearing masks in public places and mandatory vaccination to visit a mall or a restaurant (also "manageable"). I'm not a social person (age almost 40), an…

In 2020 more than twice the amount of people below 50 committed suicide than died from COVID in Spain.

https://www.elmundo.es/ciencia-y-salud/salud/2022/01/07/61bc... (source in Spanish)

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Post by Mirioron »

RealityWinner wrote: post #207
Manuel_D wrote: post #176

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Nowhere? I suspect few people actually read the report [1]. They asked teen girls (and boys) how Instagram made them feel. The most common response for girls was "no effect" 43%, followed by "somewhat better" 29%, then "somewhat worse" at 18%, then "much better" at 8%, and lastly "much worse" at 3%. The media conspicuously ignored that substantially more girls felt that Instagram made them feel better than worse. 1.…

I don't trust any research Facebook releases about the impact of their own platform and would take such with a grain of salt. There is no incentive for them to ever release negative results.

You might not trust them, but the quote is taken out of context by the media and whenever it gets regurgitated on the internet. It's used as some kind of a "See, I knew I was correct in disliking them!" idea.

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Post by leereeves »

codingdave wrote: post #337
trompetenaccoun wrote: post #306

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You're not the only one and more level-headed psychologists have warned about this pretty early last year. People are bombarded with horror news about ever rising case numbers of this 'killer virus' on a daily basis. Read up on mass psychosis and mass psychology in general. There are many documented cases in the past, but this time with the internet and our ever more connected world we seem to have a case gone global…

> case numbers are reported without putting them in relation to the total number of tests done. One other quirk of our society that has become clear is that what you hear in the media is absolutely correlated to which media you consume. In my experience, which is 99% reading news sites online, the testing is absolutely reported. Even emphasized, and made clear that the positivity % is a more telling metric than the n…

> I'm really not sure what you mean by saying that stats from two separate years add up to 70%. Especially when those number do not.

Successive percentage increases multiply:

1.223 * 1.391 = 1.701193

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by codingdave »

leereeves wrote: post #343
codingdave wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> case numbers are reported without putting them in relation to the total number of tests done. One other quirk of our society that has become clear is that what you hear in the media is absolutely correlated to which media you consume. In my experience, which is 99% reading news sites online, the testing is absolutely reported. Even emphasized, and made clear that the positivity % is a more telling metric than the n…

> I'm really not sure what you mean by saying that stats from two separate years add up to 70%. Especially when those number do not. Successive percentage increases multiply: 1.223 * 1.391 = 1.701193

Ah, Thank you for clarifying.

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Post by jsodw »

watwut wrote: post #302
crackercrews wrote: post #15

This reporting doesn't make clear that the increase was almost entirely among girls. There was little change for boys. > There was a 22.3 percent spike in ER trips for potential suicides by children aged 12 to 17 in summer 2020 compared to 2019. > The data was particularly alarming among among girls aged 12 to 17. Between Feb. 21 and March 20 this year, emergency department visits for potential suicide attempts were…

I suspect one reason are online games. Boys are more likely to play them and in lockdown, they were the one of few socialization available. It does not matter what are reasons for disparity. But, the boys were more likely to continue some unchanged socialization ad they had before. They already had established groups to play with and so on.

Girls continue to have Instagram.

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Post by sethammons »

diordiderot wrote: post #274
AussieWog93 wrote: post #170

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You state this with a lot of confidence! >Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day. This wasn't a problem in the 70s and 80s. Kids would just ride their bikes everywhere. >We don't have public spaces where you aren't expected to spend money. Apart from playgrounds, parks, libraries, community groups, all kinds of events... I don't think we've ever had more free…

In many places in the US they'll take your kids into protective custody if you leave them unsupervised.

Happened to a friend at work. Quiet neighborhood, the park is literally on the other side of the lazy street. He was watching his kid from his window when another parent called the police for an unsupervised child. Cue a real legal battle where they could have lost custody of their kid.

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Post by mft_ »

_RPL5_ wrote: post #313
asteroidbelt wrote: post #285

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> A once is a lifetime catastrophic event This is one point of view. A different point of view is this is comparable to bad flu year, and all hysteria is caused by msm. > It has affected our lives in so many ways It has. But not the pandemic, but government and media overreaction to it.

Next you'll be asking whether lockdowns caused more harm than good. Oh-oh. I think we are 10 years too early for that particular discussion. This is a fascinating topic, though, and I can't help myself. I have two competing perspectives on this: 1. Covid is deadly, but not that deadly, certainly not to children and younger ( 2. Covid is deadly, and if not for the lockdowns, it would have killed a lot more people than…

I think you're missing a piece. Lockdowns are mostly triggered to control the impact of COVID on hospitals.

If hospitals become overwhelmed by COVID cases, the impact is far beyond any additional COVID cases that can't then get treatment - it then spreads the impact to people with heart attacks, strokes, and many otheer acute life-threatening conditions. It also likely impacts care of people with cancer... and people with appointments for important elective surgery. And so on.

This seems to be a fundamental schism: between people who understand/acknowledge that our collective behaviour impacts many other people in direct and indirect ways, and people who are more focussed on individual autonomy and freedom - who maybe don't see (or care less about?) the subsequent impact of their actions on others.

This is how people choosing not to be vaccinated harms everyone else, and risks measures like lockdowns. Because there's a inverse correlation between vaccination and severity of COVID infections, it therefore follows that not being vaccinated (on a wider scale) increases the risk of hospitals being overwhelmed - and so increases the risk of lockdowns being necessary, and 'innocent' people with other conditions requiring hospital care being caught in the middle.

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Post by JulianChastain »

pdimitar wrote: post #222
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #210

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I'm sick of people pretending that they know more about brain chemistry and human behavior than the thousands of professionals and the decades of research devoted to the topic, but here we are with your dismissive posts. Some people eventually get off the medications. Some can't function without them. Your attitude is akin to being upset because once a paraplegic is in a wheelchair that they never just get up and try…

I only see one upset person here and it's not me. It will help if you read more slowly and if you don't get outraged during the process. Then you'll see that not one thing you said was something that I claimed. I never said not even one of the things you claim that I did. A bit of a puzzling comment you posted, man. Another hint: those thousands of professionals have a perverse monetary incentive. Food for thought. S…

In your original comment, you were "expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything." This is an absolute statement that is directly contradicted by "Some [patients] can't function without [their medication]." Its ironic you criticize the reading skills of your interlocutor

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Post by anon9001 »

wruza wrote: post #259

This pandemic is very strange mental-wise, all my doctors note that. The US, as far as I understand, has huge lockdowns and that may be the factor, but in my country it's called "an advisory self-isolation" and everyone basically lives their life like before, except wearing masks in public places and mandatory vaccination to visit a mall or a restaurant (also "manageable"). I'm not a social person (age almost 40), an…

Strange is an understatement. I can very much relate.

But if I'm being honest, so much has improved for me during the pandemic that I don't know how to feel about it.

I feel very guilty for saying this because people are dying and I've got more privilege than I can handle, but consider the following:

I was already anxious and depressed and wanted to self-isolate. Now everyone is anxious and depressed and forced to self-isolate.

I used to hate interactions with random people, especially delivery drivers. Now nobody wants to interact with anybody.

Being a remote worker was sort of weird. Now I can be remote and competitive.

There's so much more good content because everyone is at home and online. Also bigger gaming playlists.

Being a science news junkie has unlocked some real world value about how to best stay safe.

I learned a lot about how the public gets information and got rid of some "vaccine hesitant" friends and family.

mRNA vaccines are going to treat so many diseases so much faster now. HIV vaccine soon!

It used to be strange to wear a mask anywhere, even though it will keep you from getting sick during flu season, but now it's become normalized.

I'm sure there's a bunch of other things that I've already gotten used to and forgotten about, but mostly it's made avoiding face-to-face contact possible in pretty much every situation, which is really working for me right now.

Sure, I'm dissociating as years drift by with absolutely no social contact or memories, but I was probably going to do that anyway.

For me, this used to be a "mental health issue". Now I'm just responsible!

Of course, I won't be shocked if the virus ends up mutating in a way that wipes out humanity... but so far, with a little bit of luck, it's been a pretty big improvement for me personally.

I hope we somehow bring this to a sane resolution the same as everyone else, but I'm going to capitalize on this guilt-free way to self-isolate for as long as I reasonably can.

Clearly this some sort of bad and unhealthy way to live, but it's kind of comfy. I think English may lack a term for how this feels.

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Post by visarga »

janeroe wrote: post #265
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #105

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Why do you assume I am referring to the US? Maybe for you it's normal for there to be looting and rampant crime in the face of crisis or emergency scenarios but I don't think that speaks for the rest of the world. > Many countries do not have the health infrastructure the US has and have not undergone societal collapse. What does this mean? We have universal healthcare and in my city emergency services are so overwhe…

> We have universal healthcare and in my city emergency services are so overwhelmed and overworked the wait time for the past day is over an hour. That tells more about your healthcare system than about anything else. My city had virtually no lockdowns (but 2 weeks at the beginning until the measure became really unpopular), nobody ever cared about distancing or masking, the vaccination rates are low as hell, schools…

Locations with low level of travel had less severe infections. For example countries in Eastern Europe got the wave later and it was smaller compared to Italy, UK, etc.
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