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Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Cherchez les unjustifiéd lockdowns, cher Talleyrand!

Is this a reference to the quote "cherchez la femme" being attributed to Talleyrand? I found that claim here[0], but it doesn't seem to be correct; this source[1] attributes it to Dumas. Talleyrand may have said « La politique, c’est les femmes » [2] but I couldn't find a clear source for that either.

[0] https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/cherchez_la_femme#%C3%89tymol...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherchez_la_femme#Origin_of_th...

[2] https://www.20minutes.fr/politique/1705183-20151008-anne-gra...

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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This reporting doesn't make clear that the increase was almost entirely among girls. There was little change for boys. > There was a 22.3 percent spike in ER trips for potential suicides by children aged 12 to 17 in summer 2020 compared to 2019. > The data was particularly alarming among among girls aged 12 to 17. Between Feb. 21 and March 20 this year, emergency department visits for potential suicide attempts were…

I suspect one reason are online games. Boys are more likely to play them and in lockdown, they were the one of few socialization available.

It does not matter what are reasons for disparity. But, the boys were more likely to continue some unchanged socialization ad they had before. They already had established groups to play with and so on.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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There are lots of attempts to explain this in the comments: lockdowns, lack of socialisation, pre-pandemic poor mental health, etc. But is not it not much more simple? We were and are in the midst of a global pandemic. A once is a lifetime catastrophic event. The kind of life changing event not experienced in the west since World War II. Of course that's going to cause mental health issues in almost everyone (to vary…

> A once is a lifetime catastrophic event This is one point of view. A different point of view is this is comparable to bad flu year, and all hysteria is caused by msm. > It has affected our lives in so many ways It has. But not the pandemic, but government and media overreaction to it.

> A different point of view is this is comparable to bad flu year, and all hysteria is caused by msm.

That is not point of view. That is a lie.

Point of view is different interpretation of same facts or different values attributing to them. Some things however are just lies.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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This pandemic is very strange mental-wise, all my doctors note that. The US, as far as I understand, has huge lockdowns and that may be the factor, but in my country it's called "an advisory self-isolation" and everyone basically lives their life like before, except wearing masks in public places and mandatory vaccination to visit a mall or a restaurant (also "manageable"). I'm not a social person (age almost 40), an…

> Can anyone share similar observations, or am I just a coincidence? it has been excruciating for me living alone during 2020. Getting out of bed was a battle nearly every day. The pandemic came just in time when I thought I finally learned how to manage a severe depression that got triggered by a burnout, which was lasting over a decade, and included 2 suicide attempts, drug abuse, and losing most people in my life…

Just wanted to send you a virtual hug! You are amazing!

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both are true. Fiscal and monetary stimulus drove financial assets owned mostly by 40+ and retirees to the moon. House prices have become more unaffordable just as millennials (already saddled with college debt) are getting ready to buy their first homes. Inflation has eaten into real wages even with increases. We also locked up an entire generation of zoomers in a house for two years. I was all for lockdowns in earl…

Honestly, blame the far left. This was their totem and they’ve been staunch about it. I consider myself a democratic socialist, but planting the flag of progressives into the dirt at the line of perpetual lockdowns was a _huge_ and likely catastrophic misstep, both politically and (more importantly) societally.

Apparently, majority of world is ruled by far left. Otherwise we can't explain lockdowna in other countries.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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post #259

This pandemic is very strange mental-wise, all my doctors note that. The US, as far as I understand, has huge lockdowns and that may be the factor, but in my country it's called "an advisory self-isolation" and everyone basically lives their life like before, except wearing masks in public places and mandatory vaccination to visit a mall or a restaurant (also "manageable"). I'm not a social person (age almost 40), an…

You're not the only one and more level-headed psychologists have warned about this pretty early last year. People are bombarded with horror news about ever rising case numbers of this 'killer virus' on a daily basis. Read up on mass psychosis and mass psychology in general. There are many documented cases in the past, but this time with the internet and our ever more connected world we seem to have a case gone global. The media plays a major part, just look at how case numbers are reported without putting them in relation to the total number of tests done. It's reported when water is tested positive for sars-cov-2, but then negative aspects of the panic are downplayed by for example reporting the increase in suicide attempts as 22.3% + 39.1% in this article. As we know from surveys the average reader will not understand this adds up to around 70% more suicide attempts since the start of the pandemic, because most people aren't good at math.

I'm certain if people were bombarded with touching individual case reports of people, including children, suffering under the measures and not just under the effects of the virus, public opinion would be different. As it is the reporting is very one sided though with everyone focused on the virus to the point that nothing else matters anymore to many. It's not surprising that this can induce panic, I find it scary myself.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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This is about attempts (!) in young (!) women (!). That’s so specific, it’s suffering from multiple-endpoint problems: look at 50 subgroups and some are always going to show some seemingly drastic change.

Here, the reporting of this factoid almost certainly means there was no significant change in actual suicides, or in attempted suicides of the population at large. So both may well be true.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can anyone share similar observations, or am I just a coincidence? it has been excruciating for me living alone during 2020. Getting out of bed was a battle nearly every day. The pandemic came just in time when I thought I finally learned how to manage a severe depression that got triggered by a burnout, which was lasting over a decade, and included 2 suicide attempts, drug abuse, and losing most people in my life…

Just wanted to send you a virtual hug! You are amazing!

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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post #259

This pandemic is very strange mental-wise, all my doctors note that. The US, as far as I understand, has huge lockdowns and that may be the factor, but in my country it's called "an advisory self-isolation" and everyone basically lives their life like before, except wearing masks in public places and mandatory vaccination to visit a mall or a restaurant (also "manageable"). I'm not a social person (age almost 40), an…

>> The US, as far as I understand, has huge lockdowns and that may be the factor The US never really locked down after maybe the first two or three week period. The “lockdowns” we had were mostly performative and not really enforced. This is in huge contrast to some cities in Australia for example, where lockdowns were both prolonged (lasting months) and those violating them were smacked down consistently.

And every Australian I know was happy about it too. Australia is very similar to the US, but one difference is that they're less oppositional. Helps that it actually seemed to work though I'm surprised there hasn't been more objection to the lack of tourism.

Of course, it's ineffective against omicron which is just too infectious to be stopped, and they aren't doing it now.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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I'm not even a parent, but I've been incredibly distressed by this trend. Several of my good friends have had their daughters attempt suicide (luckily, none have succeeded, although 2 extremely close calls). It's been utterly gut-wrenching to watch these talented, kind, ambitious girls spiral into shells of their former selves. Luckily, all my friends are fellow techies who are upper-middle class, and can afford medi…

>daughters Was it only daughters that attempted suicide? What about sons? With this language, you are implying the life of a woman is worth more than a man's. Why?

I don't think they implied that. I doubt OP meant anything by it; they also refer to their "good" friends, do you also question whether OP is ignoring suicide when it happens to (children of) ordinary friends?

The distiction between sons and daughters is interesting though, because women are statistically much more likely to attempt suicide, whereas men are more likely to succeed at it.

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