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Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says
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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says
#62I think one thing that will make the history books is how little innovation or adaptation there was in educational technology, rendering a truly depressing set of prospects for learning over the pandemic. A lot of companies have made a LOT of money in edutech going back to the 90s CDROM days and what do students get when the system escapes these companies's grasp and students need some real imagination put to the mat…
What were they supposed to do? They had about two weeks to go from fully in-classroom to fully-remote with no warning, in the middle of the school year. I don't care what kind of technology you have, that is going to be a clusterfuck.
But it is now two years in. I wouldn't have expected something in 2 weeks, but in 2 months? Thought that something would have been built.
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#63I'm not even a parent, but I've been incredibly distressed by this trend. Several of my good friends have had their daughters attempt suicide (luckily, none have succeeded, although 2 extremely close calls). It's been utterly gut-wrenching to watch these talented, kind, ambitious girls spiral into shells of their former selves. Luckily, all my friends are fellow techies who are upper-middle class, and can afford medi…
The problem with framing this as a mental health crisis is that it implies the solution is in mental health services. Is there a mental health crisis in North Korea? No their lives are just terrible. Therapy isn’t going to help people in North Korea. Similarly the worse material conditions are in the West the more people are going to kill themselves. I think it’s about 200 a day in the US and it has been for many man…
I disagree, the goal of therapy (should) be to make the patient more self-efficacious, NOT about making them happy or instilling the right mental gymnastics to feel OK about their situation. The more self-efficacious a person is, the more likely they are to figure out what is causing them problems and find meaning in their life by rising to the challenge and organizing action with either themselves or within their peer group in order to deal with their situation that causes them and their peers distress. A depressed, non-self-efficacious person will be less capable of figuring out and making plans to deal with situations that cause them distress.
Would a mentally healthy, self-efficacious population be more or less likely realize their problems and organize collective action to correct their situation?
Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem was this clusterfuck lasted for far too long and public guidance was and still is a complete mess. We panicked everyone instead of having a level-headed policy where we stratified risk by age and health condition.
Should we also stratify by Relation to risk, and how do we enforce this ? Also how would policies stratified by age/health work? Only unhealthy or old people need to mask when they go to the store filled with unmasked, Covid-spreading young people?
That would be fantastic. I'm triple vaxxed and have had covid twice. I frankly don't care anymore.
Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem was this clusterfuck lasted for far too long and public guidance was and still is a complete mess. We panicked everyone instead of having a level-headed policy where we stratified risk by age and health condition.
Should we also stratify by Relation to risk, and how do we enforce this ? Also how would policies stratified by age/health work? Only unhealthy or old people need to mask when they go to the store filled with unmasked, Covid-spreading young people?
Masking is fine! Prolonged shutdowns aren't. Anyone who wants to go to work should have been allowed to, others are welcome to isolate.
Special times could have been reserved to allow the elderly/unhealthy/fearful to go shop and take care of themselves. (Costco senior hours?) There are a lot of options.
Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says
#66> Researchers, though, cautioned against drawing direct lines between these spikes and conditions brought on by the coronavirus pandemic, which disrupted nearly every aspect of U.S. life starting in the middle of last March. > A heightened appreciation about mental health in 2020 might have prompted parents to get their children mental health treatment, they said. > “Conversely, by spending more time at home together…
What a classic HN response. Humans are social creatures. How are lockdowns and social distancing not causal? There's a reason long distance relationships fail and solitary confinement is an ultimate punishment. Add to this doomsday news on loop, confusing messaging on vaccines. I also have too, too much anecdata to counter this. I spent time helping families during the COVID crisis. The amount of confusion and uncert…
> There's a reason long distance relationships fail
???
“ Research has even shown that long distance couples tend to have the same or more satisfaction in their relationships than couples who are geographically close, and higher levels of dedication to their relationships and less feelings of being trapped.”
https://time.com/5316307/best-long-distance-relationship-tip...
Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says
#67Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says
#68Of course nothing that happened before the pandemic could have contributed at all to any feelings of hopelessness. The absolute despair required to want to "end it all" just suddenly happened because of this one situation. The constant 24/7 barrage of "doom and gloom" and just general insanity in the news and "social" media couldn't have laid any groundwork for anyone to feel like there's just no point in even trying to live anymore…
Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
What were they supposed to do? They had about two weeks to go from fully in-classroom to fully-remote with no warning, in the middle of the school year. I don't care what kind of technology you have, that is going to be a clusterfuck.
But it is now two years in. I wouldn't have expected something in 2 weeks, but in 2 months? Thought that something would have been built.
Yeah maybe by fall 2020 you could have expected better preparation. On the other hand, I think people kept thinking it would go away over the summer, or we'd just reach herd immunity. I think very few people in summer 2020 thought we'd still be mired in this in 2022 with no end in sight. None of the previous virus scares, SARS, flus, Ebola, Zika, came anywhere close to lasting that long.
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> [...] a virus that was nowhere near a risk to children. People continuously forget about (or maliciously omit) even a single step beyond someone's infection. One infected person can spread it to others . Even if the individual's risk may be low, soon, you start spreading it to people that are more at risk. Schools can thus become superspreader locations that put their parents and teachers and whatnot at risk. Wheth…
Way more people forget about (or aren't even aware of) isanother step beyond someone's infection - the externialities of covid measures. With the trillions of dollars lost, depression, suicide, businesses closed, undiagnosed and untreated illnesses, family feuds over the politicization of covid, delay in children's education and development, and countless other facets, it's not a stretch to say that the damage done by the policies is often worse than the disease. Public officials only care about the single tunnel vision metric of body count even if the cumulative damage of their policies is far worse, and ends in more non-covid deaths and the decimation of countless lives and livelihoods.