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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by OtomotO »

IAmEveryone wrote: post #299
OtomotO wrote: post #202

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On the contrary, blindly believing (not knowing) is unscientific in any and all regards. I too saw people taking pills and becoming "robots" in the methaphoric sense. They were dull and not themselves, "just" without suicidal tendencies. It was absolutely devastating to live under a roof with them. When I got a major depression, a decade back, I decided that I will not take any meds, because I'd rather die the person…

> I too saw people taking pills and becoming "robots" in the methaphoric sense. No, you didn’t. That sort of effect does happen with antipsychotics. The effects of antidepressants are as different from those as Aspirin.

I didn't specify which kind of pills they took, did I?

A small hint: never tell anyone what they experienced, unless you were there or you're a godlike creature.

Edit: I asked again which pills, it was anti depressants. It was half a lifetime ago, doesn't change my or their experience.

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Post by pfortuny »

pdimitar wrote: post #223
evocatus wrote: post #214

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More pontification and intellectualization of matters that people have no first-hand experience of, as is HN's wont. As someone with over 20 years of mental health issues who refused medication for exactly the same reasons - "sucking it up," trying to address root causes, meditation, spirituality, exercise... ... none of it worked. You could easily spend a lifetime trying to "root cause" the source of your malady and…

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The way you wrote your first paragraph is, honestly, condescending, whether you intended it or not, and gives exactly that impression.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by pfortuny »

cabalamat wrote: post #212
honkycat wrote: post #201

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> Medication CAN lead to a much better quality of life for many people. Yes, it can. But if the underlying issue is that society and social structures are fucked up, and that's what's making people depressed, then a proper cure has to involve fixing society.

Oh, yes, but the cures of individual people cannot wait.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by chaostheory »

wruza wrote: post #259

This pandemic is very strange mental-wise, all my doctors note that. The US, as far as I understand, has huge lockdowns and that may be the factor, but in my country it's called "an advisory self-isolation" and everyone basically lives their life like before, except wearing masks in public places and mandatory vaccination to visit a mall or a restaurant (also "manageable"). I'm not a social person (age almost 40), an…

Yes, I felt the same, but I was able to “escape”

Mentally, VR has helped us a lot during the pandemic. Yes, it’s far from perfect and it’s not entirely the same as being physically there; but it is just awesome being able to hang out with family and friends in VR and have a sense of space. We workout together; or play racquetball, bowling, darts, ping pong, board games, or fish to name a few activities. These are people who are hundreds or even thousands of miles away. Some aren’t even in the same continent. Way better than a phone call or FaceTime / Zoom. Without it, my anxiety would seemingly get out of hand at times. I don’t live alone, but I also get somewhat isolated without it.

Outside of the pandemic, I can see parents using this as a convenient way to “hangout” and catch up with friends.

It’s too bad Facebook destroyed their reputation, or a lot more people would be trying it out and enjoying it at their $299 price point, especially the past two years. While PCVR is an option, it’s too expensive for normal people (starting around $2400 for everything) and setup is not easy for the non-technical.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by Arisaka1 »

elil17 wrote: post #114

I lost my best friend and a mentee to suicide in 2021, both in their early 20s. My most important observation is that both of them killed themselves for a myriad of overlapping reasons: childhood trauma from physical abuse, lack of access to therapy, body shame/eating disorders, and stress from experiencing discrimination/hate in their schools and religious communities, as well as more issues which I’m sure were hidd…

Every time I share with someone that I'm depressed and think of suicide they're like "just get therapy bro", but I'm depressed not just from the isolation that came with the pandemic (I'm high risk due to an underlying health issue) but also because I'm unemployed, and instead of feeling fun discovering things I can do with code, all I feel is heat because I'm unemployed.

Someday, when we mature enough as a society, maybe we'll touch on the subject on high rates of male suicide during the absolutely normal periods of time, and how it's all driven by the pressure to sustain yourself and succeed in playing the game of capitalism.

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Post by armada651 »

honkycat wrote: post #206
pdimitar wrote: post #118

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> What do we do if their parents end up unable to work due to long term COVID or worse their parents die? What will my mother's friend's family do after their father, husband and sole provider died within 10 minutes of taking the vaccine, right there on the spot, on the vaccine queue? (Answer: the family almost got evicted by the way. And lived in poverty for 7-8 months before recovering.) Where do we draw the line,…

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It is possible, allergic reactions like anaphylaxis will set in between 10 and 15 minutes. These can be life-threatening if not treated immediately. The rate of anaphylaxis is 7 per million shots given.

That's why after receiving the vaccine you are supposed to wait 15 minutes so a medical professional can observe you for symptoms.

Not sure what happened in this case, but if it did happen it's likely someone botched the anaphylaxis response.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by codingdave »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #306
wruza wrote: post #259

This pandemic is very strange mental-wise, all my doctors note that. The US, as far as I understand, has huge lockdowns and that may be the factor, but in my country it's called "an advisory self-isolation" and everyone basically lives their life like before, except wearing masks in public places and mandatory vaccination to visit a mall or a restaurant (also "manageable"). I'm not a social person (age almost 40), an…

You're not the only one and more level-headed psychologists have warned about this pretty early last year. People are bombarded with horror news about ever rising case numbers of this 'killer virus' on a daily basis. Read up on mass psychosis and mass psychology in general. There are many documented cases in the past, but this time with the internet and our ever more connected world we seem to have a case gone global…

> case numbers are reported without putting them in relation to the total number of tests done.

One other quirk of our society that has become clear is that what you hear in the media is absolutely correlated to which media you consume. In my experience, which is 99% reading news sites online, the testing is absolutely reported. Even emphasized, and made clear that the positivity % is a more telling metric than the number of cases. And that hospital utilization is the true metric we're trying to keep down.

FWIW, 22.3% was the 2019 -> 2020 stat, and 39.1% was the 2020->2021 stat. I'm really not sure what you mean by saying that stats from two separate years add up to 70%. Especially when those number do not.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

it_does_follow wrote: post #241
throwawayyear22 wrote: post #103

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In regards to the media, parents could be more dismissive of the doom and gloom. Instead I watch parents repeat in front of their children that corporations are evil, sea level will rise by 10's of feet soon, racism everywhere, reverse racism everywhere, the China Communists will take over the world, that the U.S. doesn't manufacture anything, etc. I recall one adult in my entire childhood that laughed off a doom and…

The idea that if people would stop talking how the world is so bad the world wouldn't be so bad is one of the strangest patterns of thinking I've seen pop up here more recently. The world is in a state of decline, climate change being just one of many stressors on society. Pretending this is not the case doesn't make it go away, and if anything the media is aggressively downplaying the current situation we are in. An…

The world is not in decline. We do not live on a "spaceship earth" because of the potential for astroid/moon mining and space based solar panels. Technological progress continues to outstrip our environmental damage done in it's persuit, and ultimately only technological solutions will get us out of the current issues with climate change. That, and a healthy amount of climate adaptation.

Apocalyptic rhtoric is both wrong and a mind virus that cripples meaningful policy discussions.

I have my problems with Steven Pinker but this is one issue where he is so correct on it's not even funny.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by codingdave »

pdimitar wrote: post #102

I'll join the chorus of the other sibling commenters here by expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything. Psychiatric medication often simply numbs your brain so it stops being worried about things that legitimately and truly torment it. It reduces your sensitivity, it knocks off your normal brain chemicals balance, and it turns you into a robot. I've had a family member go through this a…

> Doing all this does NOT solve the underlying problems that make people reach for suicide.

But it gives you time to teach teens coping skills, ingrain healthy habits, and get them through some of the tough teenage years, so you can then back down on meds when they are in a better place, with a better toolkit, to create adults who want to live.

I agree the meds are not the best answer in all cases. And there is nothing wrong with discussing their negative aspects. But that doesn't mean they don't serve a purpose in some cases.

Especially cases where it truly is a chemical imbalance causing the depression. Which may be more cases than you realize.

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Post by hnarn »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #306
wruza wrote: post #259

This pandemic is very strange mental-wise, all my doctors note that. The US, as far as I understand, has huge lockdowns and that may be the factor, but in my country it's called "an advisory self-isolation" and everyone basically lives their life like before, except wearing masks in public places and mandatory vaccination to visit a mall or a restaurant (also "manageable"). I'm not a social person (age almost 40), an…

You're not the only one and more level-headed psychologists have warned about this pretty early last year. People are bombarded with horror news about ever rising case numbers of this 'killer virus' on a daily basis. Read up on mass psychosis and mass psychology in general. There are many documented cases in the past, but this time with the internet and our ever more connected world we seem to have a case gone global…

> Read up on mass psychosis and mass psychology in general.

The entire anti-vaxxer movement makes perfect sense if you look at it like a mass psychosis of denial and a trauma response.

Questioning the mainstream media is a bit of a meme these days and unfortunately most people that bring up this point have a bit of an agenda to say the least, but: One thing that’s bothered me about the MSM from the start of the pandemic is the market fueled necessity to keep pumping out “news” when nothing important has happened.

Our desire to keep ourselves more informed has perhaps created this MSM monster that now through overexposure of fear and all other negative emotions that “sell” themselves are responsible for the trauma response that is conspiracy theories, flat out denial and a lack of consideration of expertise, not only for the pandemic but for climate change and much more.

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