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School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by refurb »

Extropy_ wrote: post #13

I was in Grade 7 the first time they closed schools here in Ontario. I certainly didn't get enough sleep, usually around five or six, maybe seven hours at most. The second time around was even worse. I didn't do work, I didn't go outside, all I did was mess about on my computer. In general, it was- and is- a horribly unhealthy experience for me, both mentally and physically. Although, I still struggle with this "remo…

If I were to guess how all this will end is some side effective of restrictions will read its ugly head - mental health, economic recession, or just general civil disobedience.

Then suddenly we’ll be told “trade offs need to be made” and “the vaccines provide enough protection to relax restrictions”.

The fact that we’re 2 years into it and with a population that is mostly vaccine and at a much reduced risk yet the restriction seem to be the same or worse?

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by ivegotnoaccount »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #57
vladvasiliu wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue. I went to several schools and kids being driven to school has always been an exception. They mostly walked or took public transport [0]. My sister went to high-school in a more rural area (read far-away suburb) and kids from the surrounding towns used to take the school bus. Yet, school still started very early, a…

> As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue. Having spent many hours on the Parisian metro, there’s no chance I’d let my children anywhere near it. Even supervised.

Lived in paris for ~23 years, and took public transports to go to school everyday starting from secondary school (~11 years old). Same was going for my siblings, and a huge part of my classmates, including those that needed to take the RER.

The metro can be unsafe at night, but usually not at times where children commute.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by ivegotnoaccount »

xondono wrote: post #73
vladvasiliu wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue. I went to several schools and kids being driven to school has always been an exception. They mostly walked or took public transport [0]. My sister went to high-school in a more rural area (read far-away suburb) and kids from the surrounding towns used to take the school bus. Yet, school still started very early, a…

> As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue. Clearly you didn’t grew in Barcelona, or Paris, or London, … Back when I had a car commute for work I could tell the day the school summer holidays begin just by how much it took me to get to work.

Isn't it more that parents often take vacations when their children have their, thus less congestion ?

At least in Paris itself, only a third of homes have cars, and in this third, not everyone is going to bring its children to school using it.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by sokoloff »

brnt wrote: post #65
watwut wrote: post #63

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Over two hours of biking in rain every day sounds like quite a lot to be honest. And I definitely would not want my kid to drive 40km a day in snow or on icy road. Even if split into two 20km segments. I had 10km from home to university. I would definitely not want to do double that amount everyday. Even as I was in shape at the time, doing it on bike everyday would be severely unappealing. It would probably also mea…

Biking isn't a sport. That's the root of the normality of the above situation.

It’s common in Europe to use the word “sport” as Americans would use the word “exercise”.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by sokoloff »

refurb wrote: post #76
wilbdhm wrote: post #30

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Quoted post unavailable.

I looked it up and it has nothing to do with the n-word other than vaguely sounding like it. Is it verboten too now? How about rigger? Sound too close as well?

Perhaps a river and country in Africa should also be renamed?

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by max002 »

Night owls perform best in evening hours. There's more and more research about this - hopefully this will get incorporated into school and work system in coming years. At the moment its just "one for all" approach and it works great for larks, but brings problems to owls (not only in schools, but later on in adult life).

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by laumars »

throwawayboise wrote: post #4
silisili wrote: post #2

And led to a huge retardation (in the literal sense) of learning. My kid was way more active and alert, but the schools weren't prepared for this and they basically just read books together; she's way behind in math still. That all said, school hours were set mostly because public schools double as a daycare. I don't know many people who drive in at 7am anymore, it's definitely time to reset expectations here.

High schoolers do not need daycare; they also do not need parents to dress them and get them to school. They should be able to manage those things on their own, and take care of themselves for a few unsupervised hours a day.

“Should” and “can be trusted to” are two totally different things.

Much as we want to give kids responsibility and as much as some kids will thrive off it, others don’t yet that the maturity to look after themselves even for short periods.

And here lies the problem. You often end up setting up social systems to support the worst cases rather than the best of even average populous.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by morsch »

xondono wrote: post #73
vladvasiliu wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue. I went to several schools and kids being driven to school has always been an exception. They mostly walked or took public transport [0]. My sister went to high-school in a more rural area (read far-away suburb) and kids from the surrounding towns used to take the school bus. Yet, school still started very early, a…

> As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue. Clearly you didn’t grew in Barcelona, or Paris, or London, … Back when I had a car commute for work I could tell the day the school summer holidays begin just by how much it took me to get to work.

In Paris or London, kids are not given a ride to school for a lack of alternatives. No personal experience with Barcelona, but the public transport network looks pretty good, too.

Of course, public transport shouldn't be necessary for most city kids, which ought to have a school in walking and certainly biking[1] distance. It'd be interesting to see the distribution of distance to school in different locations and for different years. Increases in suburbanization are bound to increase the average distance to school; but rural kids even in my generation and more so in my parents and grandparents generation managed much longer commutes without a car as a matter of course.

[1] Maybe kids use the bike less since there's a perception that it's gotten more dangerous. A perception that's not totally wrong, at least in Germany: the number of bike accidents has increased from ~74k in 2000 to 87k in 2019[2], though at least the number of fatal accidents decreased in the same time.

[2] Table 1.1 https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Verkeh...

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by vladvasiliu »

xondono wrote: post #73
vladvasiliu wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue. I went to several schools and kids being driven to school has always been an exception. They mostly walked or took public transport [0]. My sister went to high-school in a more rural area (read far-away suburb) and kids from the surrounding towns used to take the school bus. Yet, school still started very early, a…

> As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue. Clearly you didn’t grew in Barcelona, or Paris, or London, … Back when I had a car commute for work I could tell the day the school summer holidays begin just by how much it took me to get to work.

I'm actually in Paris, but grated, I have no idea how things are in Barcelona or London.

I agree that transportation here has many issues and I absolutely hate it, but when I was a kid [0] I could get to school fine with the suburban train. My classmates had no issue getting there with the bus (regular, not school bus).

> Back when I had a car commute for work I could tell the day the school summer holidays begin just by how much it took me to get to work.

Sure, I can tell it from the Paris metro, too. The reason is that people tend to go away on vacation. This also explains the usual spikes in traffic jams the weekend right at the start and at the end of vacations.

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[0] I'm in my thirties, so that wasn't a long time ago

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by andi999 »

quartesixte wrote: post #75
andi999 wrote: post #14

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I think your superintendent ordering chromebooks in dez 2019 is great, but how did he know. Basically the first whistle blowing was on 30.12.19 : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang

Apparently rumors were afloat on certain sites towards the middle of December. But parent post could also just have gotten dates pushed backwards or forwards a bit.

Do you have links to these certain sites/more info?
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