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School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by tluyben2 »

bsagdiyev wrote: post #54
tluyben2 wrote: post #50

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If you use it to insult and offend, is that allowed or met with pitchforks in the US? Where I live there are many Irish, Scottisch and non native English, people use it all the time; to describe slow people and to offend. No one cares (even if they are the ones being offended). But when one of the Irish guys used it to offend a US couple who were vocal flatearthers, because they were flatearthers. Wow, that turned I…

I think that depends on your audience. I’ve worked with some people who looked at me like I just kicked their dog if I used it to refer to something as dumb in an offensive manner. Others don’t care. Personally I’ve tried to curb my use of the offensive definition/use of the word to be respectful but don’t yell at people who do use it that way.

Yeah, agreed. Just be nice and try not to offend people. I don’t respect people with religion too much, including flatearthers, but doesn’t make much sense to aggravate people or spend energy on people I don’t care about anyway. When people start to talk gibberish, I just excuse myself and sit somewhere else. No insults needed.

Still I would say a thick skin is better; many cultures and countries you might visit will use words you find offensive in normal conversation. You might have a bad blood pressure vacation if that affects you. Like in Spain sometimes it sounds like they are stringing swear words together while they are just having a friendly conversation.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by quartesixte »

brnt wrote: post #26
silisili wrote: post #6

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I'm in complete agreement, but 13 year olds cannot secure their own transportation. Most school districts I've lived in seem designed to ensure parents drive their kids to school. As an example, my current district won't offer a bus unless you live more than 3 miles away. 3 miles is a giant distant to walk every morning. Luckily, we live about a half mile away and she bikes to school. I wouldn't let her bike 3 miles,…

> but 13 year olds cannot secure their own transportation. Pretty much everyone here bikes to work at that age. Even if its 20km through wind and rain. On top of that, being dropped off by mommy and daddy does not impress your fellow students!

Genuine question: where do you live where biking 20km to get to work is a norm?

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by xondono »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #29
etchalon wrote: post #5

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There are a lot of high schoolers who do not live within walking distance of their school, or who aren't safe walking to their school. Buses are unreliable, easy to miss, and public transportation can be expensive. It's a whole thing.

As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue. I went to several schools and kids being driven to school has always been an exception. They mostly walked or took public transport [0]. My sister went to high-school in a more rural area (read far-away suburb) and kids from the surrounding towns used to take the school bus. Yet, school still started very early, a…

> As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue.

Clearly you didn’t grew in Barcelona, or Paris, or London, …

Back when I had a car commute for work I could tell the day the school summer holidays begin just by how much it took me to get to work.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by jlg23 »

Merem wrote: post #66
vladvasiliu wrote: post #29

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As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue. I went to several schools and kids being driven to school has always been an exception. They mostly walked or took public transport [0]. My sister went to high-school in a more rural area (read far-away suburb) and kids from the surrounding towns used to take the school bus. Yet, school still started very early, a…

Growing up in the countryside, basically no kid was driven to elementary school, except maybe some first graders early on. You either walk, come by bicycle or take a bus. I wouldn't call 8:00 "very early". Elementary school started 7:25 for me, "Gymnasium" 7:20. Didn't really have a problem with it, same with my classmates. If you keep a decent sleeping schedule, don't play games on some device right before bed or la…

> If you keep a decent sleeping schedule

The natural shift of the sleep cycle towards later hours during puberty is exactly the topic.

I would consider myself to be the textbook example: zombiesque in school until 10am, now, 25 years later, I naturally wake up at 6am.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by quartesixte »

andi999 wrote: post #14
poulsbohemian wrote: post #8

In spite of national and state level legislation aimed to standardize schooling, the reality is that education tends to be a local product. That is - I’ve heard bad stories from parents in parts of the country and world, but locally our kids really didn’t experience much negative. Our superintendent ordered chromebooks and hot spots for the district in December 2019 (!!!) because he was so afraid of what was coming.…

I think your superintendent ordering chromebooks in dez 2019 is great, but how did he know. Basically the first whistle blowing was on 30.12.19 : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang

Apparently rumors were afloat on certain sites towards the middle of December.

But parent post could also just have gotten dates pushed backwards or forwards a bit.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by refurb »

wilbdhm wrote: post #30
bsagdiyev wrote: post #22

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The word was used correctly and not in an offensive manner: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/retardation — perhaps you need to readjust your outrage detector?

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I looked it up and it has nothing to do with the n-word other than vaguely sounding like it.

Is it verboten too now?

How about rigger? Sound too close as well?

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by refurb »

hubraumhugo wrote: post #45

This reminds me of the book "Why We Sleep" by Matthew Walker. He writes about the centrality of sleep to the proper development of young minds. Early school starting times – particularly in the US, where almost half of public high schools start before 7.20am – are disastrous for the mental health of teenagers. There is serious evidence, Walker suggests, for viewing lack of sleep as a factor in the onset of depression…

Did that guy just make up a lot of what’s in the book?

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by xondono »

another_story wrote: post #18
dukeofdoom wrote: post #9

I noticed kids playing outside more in parks. But also, think of the benefit of missing out on hours and hours of preaching from their teachers. They can just research things on the internet now. And come to their own conclusions.

I think a huge part of the problem with the American education system is exemplified right here with belittling the role of teachers.

To be fair, the average teacher in most countries is quite bad.

Like it or not, schooling was originally designed as a daycare that teaches conformity and compliance.

The idea that we can change that by improving things at the margins is IMO ludicrous.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by bsagdiyev »

tluyben2 wrote: post #71
bsagdiyev wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that depends on your audience. I’ve worked with some people who looked at me like I just kicked their dog if I used it to refer to something as dumb in an offensive manner. Others don’t care. Personally I’ve tried to curb my use of the offensive definition/use of the word to be respectful but don’t yell at people who do use it that way.

Yeah, agreed. Just be nice and try not to offend people. I don’t respect people with religion too much, including flatearthers, but doesn’t make much sense to aggravate people or spend energy on people I don’t care about anyway. When people start to talk gibberish, I just excuse myself and sit somewhere else. No insults needed. Still I would say a thick skin is better; many cultures and countries you might visit will…

Of course, I’m actually a Spanish citizen so I’m well aware of how it can sound at times if you’re not used to it lol.

I do think not aggravating is key, but also agree that thicker skin might be wiser since you really cannot control what other people say and do. I still use words that are considered offensive at times just by nature of it being a habit but really am trying to cut down so my son doesn’t start up with them either.

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